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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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If someone asked me about where to fish if they were coming around the area to fish If they didn't know the water Penns Creek would not do one I would even mention to go to. I would say spring creek or fishing creek

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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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I had an old cut out from one of the outdoor magazines about a state record that came from Spring Creek. I am not sure if it is still around or not. The old guy that owned my current home was a big outdoors guy. I believe it was a monster brown trout.

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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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I like hearing the stories of monseter trout caught out of streams around central pa it always was intersting to me and i like listening to the stories

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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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No matter what anyone thinks, we are living in a golden age for wild trout in Pa. Yes the streams and trout are under pressure but less so than when this article was written. My guess is that most streams in central PA including Penns are far better than they were in the 60's. Old timers have selective memory (no insult intended). It's just the truth of the matter. We all seem to only remember our best days! Most if not all of the streams we consider great wild trout fisheries now were nothing but put and take hatchery runs back then. I know there are definitely exceptions but we have it good and I think better than 1958.

Posted on: 2013/3/6 15:25


Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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It's a mixed bag. Some streams get better, some get worse. But overall, yes, I'd agree with you, trout fishing in PA is as good as ever, and a good argument can be made that it's IMPROVING.

It is the information and travel age, though. No longer is stream knowledge so local. There still are a few off the radar streams. But certainly, our radars cover a much larger area than they once did, and the average angler fishes a lot of different waters. Of course, that means we spend less time getting to know a single stream or region really well. We all want to experience everything, which means we tend to fish the most famous sections of the most famous streams and ignore the rest. It's not that we don't know about the other streams. It's that if you have 2 days in an area, you focus on the "must fish" sections. Solitude can be still be found in "on the radar" but "off the priority list" streams.

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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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Fishing creek other then the c@r has got much worse in my opinion. Penns has always done well for me over the years some better then others. Spring Creek always has been good over the years. The best way to tell was when the cicada came off. Spring and Penns were unreal best time of my life fishing.

Posted on: 2013/3/6 15:59


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It's interesting that "Sparse Grey Hackle" wrote about the Green Drake hatch on Penns Creek in such glowing terms in 1958, and Marinaro wrote about it as a "fraud" or some such terms, in 1955, in his book The Dry Fly Code.

He described the guys from the Cumberland Valley driving up for the famous Green Drake hatch and generally finding it disappointing.


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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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I have never done well in the green drake hatch on penns I guess I don't now how to fish it when it comes off fishing ck c@r i usually go over a night and do well.

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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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He described the guys from the Cumberland Valley driving up for the famous Green Drake hatch and generally finding it disappointing.

Heck, thats how I feel today. I can go to streams with a much less prolific drake hatch and catch far more trout.
But the bugs themselves on that stream are the true draw for me during that hatch. Its really something and an event we should all witness once. Havent gone up for it in maybe 6 years, but I should probably show it to Atlantisboy this year.
Its time.

Posted on: 2013/3/6 16:16


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Pcray,

I totally disagree with your fist paragraph of your initial post.

First, a PFBC list of upwards of a thousand class A streams is not “outing” those streams it is nothing more than a listing of all class A streams in PA. Outing is the intentional singling out of any stream in a stand-alone forum for all to see whether internet, newspaper, or magazine and this is the part you are choosing to ignore. All the PFBC has done is provided a comprehensive listing of class A streams and that’s it. Some are definitely better than others but the list doesn’t identify which ones and nobody can tell which are the better ones from the list. Now if that person wants to research each stream and pull up PFBC biologist reports to figure out which ones are the best, that’s great and I commend them for that and I wholeheartedly believe the PFBC should have the information available to anyone who wants to search their site and take the time to figure it out. That’s not outing a stream that’s providing information in the public domain that is available for people to review - it’s not shoving a particular stream in the face of thousands and thousands of people that begs FISH ME I’M BETTER THAN ALL THE OTHER STREAMS AND HERE’S WHY!!!.

Second, every last one that is one public property gets fished regularly? Where did you get that stat? I’ve fish several that never see anybody. And by coincidence those streams aren’t talked about.

Third, if people have good experiences fishing them they are going to get talked about. Talked about where? Not everyone talks about where they fish. Some may tell nobody, some may tell a select few they can trust and some may blab it to the world. Me finding a stream and telling a friend about it that isn’t outing that stream. My friend even telling another friend about it isn’t even outing that stream. Posting a glorifying stream report on a fishing forum that singles it out from others is outing the stream. Even when the PFBC posts biologist reports they only announce new biologist report posted for streams X, Y and Z they don’t announce it as, “Holy crap you should see the biomasses in this stream, check out this report it’s incredible CLICK HERE.” Big difference.

Fourth, it’s just that way and there’s nothing you or I can do about it. Yes there is, keep your mouth shut if you find a hidden gem and only share it with those who you most closely trust. I have no problem with people sharing streams with other people but I do have a problem with the glorifying and publicizing of hidden gem streams on the internet for every ahole to read about.

You seem to think that there’s nothing anyone can do because we live in a world of technology and it’s all due to technology but it’s not. My PC doesn’t drive itself to a stream, fish, and then drive back home and hook itself back up to the internet and write and post a stream report all by itself. It is still man that is responsible for outing a stream and now in 2013 there is simply a new media available – the internet – than what was available in 1958 when it was newspaper and magazines. And the internet is real time. A magazine article talking about a green drake hatch might not be published until July when it’s over. A stream report today talking about today’s green drake hatch is real time.


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"First, a PFBC list of upwards of a thousand class A streams is not “outing” those streams...."

What? It ceratinly is outing those streams. It just outs them all and gives anglers their choices. This is why a free flow of information isn't bad. It is the restricting of information that causes certain waters to be "singled out." There is some circular logic being applied here. "It is OK to talk about some streams, but not others." What is the result of that? Simply put: the singling out of some streams over all others.

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You’re right, naming 1000 streams could be interpreted as outing them but the reality is it isn’t singling out any one particular stream out as being better than the others. Therefore some streams, even though named on the list, never really go onto the radar screen simply because they haven’t been separated from the others. Those that get their name tossed around the internet end up being separated.

The NFL, MLB, NBA, or NHL issues a listing of the projected top 100 draft picks in alphabetical order. Unless you really follow that sport and know what you are reading you have no idea who is the projected #1 pick and who is the projected #100 pick. Now if that list puts them in order 1-100 that does indeed separate #1 from #100.


Posted on: 2013/3/6 16:49


Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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I can't wait for the cicadas to come back! Best fishing of my life as well! Its hard to beat Spring and Penns using cicadas.

This was response to HookJaw. Didn't post as a reply, as I wanted it!

Also, Penns Creek gets no favors from all the Agriculture at its head waters... So maybe fishing pressure isn't only thing making fishing 'not like 20 years ago'

Posted on: 2013/3/6 16:53


Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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Alan yes the cicada season was unreal many large trout were caught out of penns and spring. Ive never seen trout hit off the top like that in sunny 90 degree weather.

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Re: 1958 Sports Illustrated Story On Penns Creek

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Also, Penns Creek gets no favors from all the Agriculture at its head waters... So maybe fishing pressure isn't only thing making fishing 'not like 20 years ago'


heh, yeah, I'm sure all that fertilizer & chemical laden chocolate milk that flows down thru there for days on end is doing the stream a world of good.

thanks for link Hook, think I'm gonna pop some popcorn....


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