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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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Ignoring the "competition" question, I consider a fish caught only when I remove the hook. I think of it as whether I would have been able to harvest him if I wanted to. I mean, if you returned to your cabin home in 1750 and your wife and kids were waiting for a nice fish dinner, and they greeted you at the door with the question "How many did you catch?" and you told them 6 and then put 2 on the table, I don't think it would go over too well. If I'm keeping count, I may also keep in mind how many I hooked and played for "awhile" but got off, but I don't consider these "caught". I rarely keep track of the number of fish that strike that I don't hook, unless it's of interest to another fisherman, like as a means of communicating how many fish or hungry fish are in a particular area.

As far as the competition part goes, I often keep track up to a point, maybe 6 or 8, where it then becomes more of an estimate because it isn't important enough to focus that hard on it. I don't know why I keep count at all, it certainly isn't to impress others. Like Padraic said, if asked by a stranger how I did I usually just say something like "pretty good" or "got a few" or "not so good" but if my fishing partner wife asks I'll give a number or estimate because she wants to know. And visa versa, but it's not a competition thing. I do definitely keep track of one number though, and that's "zero" - for some reason I can relax and enjoy the experience a lot more once I get off the schnide. Is that a form of competition?

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Last time I had an acurate count was about a month ago, I caught 1 fish. It's not uncommon though to have a 100 fish day, and unless I write each fish down in a journal that "count" becomes meaningless.
On the other hand if you are not keeping a journal then the only reason you are counting is to keep score, in other words it's competition. Fly-fishing isn't a competition, it is a recreational sport. If it were a competiition you'd have to just declare me the winner, cause if I keep count accurately, at the end of the day I'd have the most fish.
As it is, I'm only interested in how many legal sized brookies I catch and their weight and length. I really do need to keep a journal though, I'm losing my memory if not my mind.

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I do definitely keep track of one number though, and that's "zero" - for some reason I can relax and enjoy the experience a lot more once I get off the schnide. Is that a form of competition?


Maybe, but I have to admit I feel the same way!

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It's not uncommon though to have a 100 fish day....

If it were a competiition you'd have to just declare me the winner, cause if I keep count accurately, at the end of the day I'd have the most fish....


I must urge you, at least once, to actually count because it will be a lesson in just how many 100 fish actually is....

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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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.... Fly-fishing isn't a competition, it is a recreational sport. If it were a competiition you'd have to just declare me the winner, cause if I keep count accurately, at the end of the day I'd have the most fish.


So Stone_Fly, you're not competitive about fly fishing, you're just better than everybody else?

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Troutbert. Come on man! Some times you don't intend to count. Like if you get skunked you don't have to be paying attention to know that you got zero. I say anything under 7 or 8 can and will be remembered that day, though will be forgot the next. Who was that guy a year or two back who bragged about catching like 1000 fish a year? Now thats dumb. I have had few over 10 fish days. So its not hard to remember how many you caught when its only a couple.

On the days where I have had over 10 fish then who cares? I mean the conditions were right and you were on your game. I won't care to remember exactly how many fish I caught. I would just chalk it up as a sh&^ Load and say it was a great day on the water.

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It's always nice to catch a "sh&^ Load" even if it isn't quite 100.

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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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>>Not to be a pisspot but counting how many you caught doesn't necessarily mean it is a competition.>>

Well, of course. Dead on as usual, Maurice.

Actually, I'd be inclined to say that not being able to avoid counting could be taken a sign of good neurological health. Or at the least, I'd be worried if my fishing buddy, when asked how he did, told me he didn't know, the last thing he remembers is putting his waders on...:)

I don't know about anybody else, but regardless of how many eagles, waterfalls, blazing sunsets and unicorns I see, I still pretty much know how many fish I've caught in the course of a single session. This isn't a voluntary thing. The counter is always running up there somewhere as a portion of my overall awareness just like Windows is running as I post in this forum.

Now, of course, we may episodically experience selective amnesia when asked how well we did. There are a lot of possible reasons for this from modesty to willful and cunning deceit to some weird sort of Schweibertian righteousness that tells us that proper fly anglers do not discuss such things.

But I have a hard time believing we pay no attention to this and really don't know.

Like I say, I don't think it is a voluntary thing..

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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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Some people are numbers oriented, some are more word and concept oriented. You can see this difference in orientation in kids at a very young age.

For people who are more word and concept oriented, the ticker is NOT automatically counting. If your counter is always counting, it's easy to assume that it's also counting for other people. Or, that if it's not, that there's some kind of mental fault there. Not so. Different people just have different ways of thinking.

I'll bet Shakespeare had one heck of a time balancing his checkbook. And if he fished, I'll bet he lost count somewhere around 3 or 4.

It takes every kind of people...

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I keep a journal for myself. In it I note conditions, fishing partners, things I observed, anything notable before or after the fishing, and roughly how many fish I caught. It's not that difficult to keep that in you memory until you get to a piece of paper. I definitely don't do it to compete.

I can read my journal about a trip, say 2 years ago, and from that I could write a page full of memories from that day.

I take a fish as caught when it could be netted or when you have it in your control close to you and could handle it if you wanted to.

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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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I don't use a net, but it is considered caught if it's close enough to net.

I also keep count of the fish I catch, no matter what they are. My wife likes to know how I did. So I give her the numbers and type of fish caught. When trout fishing I do have a note book that I keep a record of the day and number caught. That way I can tell how I did against prior years, or even the day before. But even with all that counting going on it is mainly for myself. Although I will admit that after about seven or eight fish I start losing count.

But I do take time out to notice whats going on around me. Like the time I saw two snapping turtles in the creek in front of me. Wasn't sure what they were until they moved apart a little. Or the raccoons on the far bank one morning at sun up.

But even with all that counting going on it is mainly for myself

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Actually Ryan, I think it would be fairly easy to catch over 1000 trout a year. If you hit things right you can catch trout all day on some streams.

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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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>>Some people are numbers oriented, some are more word and concept oriented. You can see this difference in orientation in kids at a very young age.

For people who are more word and concept oriented, the ticker is NOT automatically counting. If your counter is always counting, it's easy to assume that it's also counting for other people. Or, that if it's not, that there's some kind of mental fault there. Not so. Different people just have different ways of thinking.

I'll bet Shakespeare had one heck of a time balancing his checkbook. And if he fished, I'll bet he lost count somewhere around 3 or 4.

It takes every kind of people...>>


Well, if you say so...:)

Neat Shakespeare image, BTW

Maybe I should amend as follows..

I wouldn't contend nor would I presume that everybody knows without paying attention whether they caught 19 as opposed to 18 or 43 as opposed to 39 and so on. I think you're absolutely right when you say we vary in the way we think, although I'm not sure I'd use verbal/abstraction vs. quantitative as a demarcation. No matter, though. I certainly agree with you in general. But surely, if we are there to fish, we are cognizant of the difference between say, 8 and 11 or 6 and 9 trout brought to hand. I don't think so insisting is indicative of a presumptive prejudice on my part that everybody thinks like me.
On a verbal/quantitative scale, I'm much more verbal, yet the ability to give a fairly close estimate of how many fish I caught in a given session or time period is a non-volitional thing that simply happens.

I mean, with a blindfold on, I can pick up a piece of 3X and a piece of 4X and tell you which one is thicker, a difference of .001 inch. And I would imagine most everybody here can do the same. If you've never tried this, I recommend it. It is a very powerful illustration of just how finely engineered of a product we are. And while I realize that this is a different sort of measurement then that being discussed, it all comes from the same system, the same control center, the human mind. So, even when we don't think we know, I have to believe we do. And maybe that's the real answer. We know a lot of stuff we aren't aware we know...:)

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Re: What Constitues A Catch

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This is actually an interesting discussion. I've been trying to figure out why I count to some extent (or am at least somewhat aware of) the number of fish caught during a particular outing. I know it isn't competition with other fishermen. I think it might have some element of keeping score, but only as a measure of how well I'm doing against my own expectations. But I think the biggest reason is that I want to be able to replay and relive every catch in my mind, because it's so enjoyable. It's like keeping a mental journal. For me, actually keeping a written journal is too much trouble. Of course, it's a lot more temporary and fleeting when it's only in my mind!

Then again, maybe I have a touch of OCD, and I just can't help myself!

Posted on: 2006/12/5 10:33



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