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Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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Foam beetle for the same reason as Fishidiot; they do work all year round AND a foam bee/yellow jacket.

I BEEcame a BEEliever after seeing my buddy nail a 20+ inch fish at Falling Spring on one and I have KILLED the fish at Clarks on them too.

Bamboozle, Can you provide a recipe and/or photo for the pattern you use? Are their any special times or conditions that you use them? Have they worked in many streams/times/conditions, or just under certain circumstances?

Posted on: 2007/3/4 9:43


Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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Sbeeking of bees, there's a "bee fall" in the story A River Runs Through It (the book; I haven't seen the movie).

Posted on: 2007/3/4 11:47


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There is a wasp pattern in the book Terrestrials by Steeves and Koch. They specifically mention how effective it was on Clarks Creek, so I tried it. Nadda. I've never been confident of using bees or wasps for trout. I'm sure they will try to eat one if they see it. I just don't think they'll eat more than one.

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Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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Parachute orange ant
Parachute black ant
Parachute cinnamon ant
Foam beetle with legs


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Sometime this year I'm gonna try a mouse fly during the night.

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Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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#1 - Baby deer hair hopper - catches fish from June to November and beyond. May be mistaken for a caddis as well. My top producing dry terrestrial.

#2 - Baby foam hopper - floats like a cork and produces well. Also fishes well with a dropper (ant).

#3 - Foam beetle

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Posted on: 2007/3/5 11:11


Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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Thanks for all your replies! My first initial response when i first started fly fishing was that dry fly fishing is fly fishing (don't know if that makes sense). Never heard of a nymph until another fisherman told me that 90% of fish are caught on nymphs. He also gave me a 18 foam ant. Talk about confusing. So out my ignorance I came into some knowledge. Still was skeptical about using terrestrials becuase, "thats still not fly fishing". After a few months of fly fishing i'm getting more accustomed to the new techniques (well new to me) but all this info is great! Might have to try one of those deer spun beetles... but atleast i'm out of the dark on how many people actually use terrestrials and how often they do so.

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Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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The techniques for fly fishing with terrestrials are the same as fishing with "flies," whether it's on or under the surface, so what the heck! Use whatever works for you. I'm not sure about that statement that 90% are caught on nymphs. Maybe 90% of a trouts diet is on subsurface insects, but a lot of fly fishers like myself just prefer dry fly fishing, even if nymphing might produce more fish.

My second favorite terrestrial, after ants, is beetles. Paul G mentioned Crowe beetles, and these are great because they land with a nice plop (which gets the attention of nearby trout), and they ride low in the water but float well enough that they're easy to see, and trout like 'em a lot. The only drawback is that they get chewed up pretty quick, but they're real easy to tie and replace. The pattern only requires one material - deer hair. You might want to try some since you're a beginner fly tier. Here's a recipe: http://www.flyfishersparadise.com/articles/old/crowe10.htm

Foam beetles work real well too, and they aren't very hard to tie either. There are a lot of variations.

Posted on: 2007/3/7 18:30


Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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Bamboozle, Can you provide a recipe and/or photo for the pattern you use? Are their any special times or conditions that you use them? Have they worked in many streams/times/conditions, or just under certain circumstances?
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WM:

My first attempt at a bee pattern was just getting some of Bill Skilton's foam Bee Bodies and tying them on mid shank and then wrapping some brown hackle right in the middle. Then trim the bee body to the appropriate length. The end result is a crude looking bee with the foam angling up from the hook sort of like a McMurray Ant that takes a SECOND to tie and worked EVERYPLACE I fished it. If you buy some of Bill's Bee Bodies there is a picture of the fly on the package. All you need is black thread, hackle and the Bee Body; no dubbing required!

I later started to have problems with my leader twisting with this pattern so I modified it by using the same Bee Body tied like a foam beetle. Again no dubbing required. In other words I trim the end of Bee Body cylinder to a point, and tie it in at the bend of the hook facing backward. I then wind my black thread forward to mid-shank and pull the Bee Body foam forward and tie it down with the thread and tie in a brown hackle. Add a few wraps of hackle and tie off and continue wrapping to the head where you will again tie down the Bee Body, clip off the excess and whip finish. The end result is a two bump bee that takes 2 SECONDS to tie and easily meets my requirements for a pattern I can tie fast; sober or drunk AND has the requisite “SPLAT” when cast.

Of course you can tie fancier bees but why bother when these work AND here’s something else that makes matters even easier: I ONLY tie one size of bee or beetle; a size 16. While you could argue that different sizes are important; I have yet to meet a trout that could resist the splat of my offering when he was hungry.

One final note: I SWEAR by the use of 3/0 thread when using foam. I feel it is less likely to cut the foam than 6/0 or 8/0 and I have bees and beetles that I have caught 20-30 trout on that are still together. Also Bill Skilton’s foam is all I use; it is soft, durable, reasonably priced, and available in zillions of options. Check out his Inchworm Bodies for a KILLER pattern for fussy Clark’s Creek fish. I tie mine just like the package shows and the fish LOVE them!

As far as the when and where of use…I try it anyplace where I feel like it, especially if fish are refusing my foam beetle. It works especially well in late summer but to be honest, my theory on terrestrials is; if a trout can refuse a big juicy meal like a bee or beetle in the middle of the winter; that’s one contented fish. They work for me all the time; EVEN during hatches. I prefer to fish them on light tippets like 7X because they splat better and in some places I fish, light tippets help A LOT!

Have fun!

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Re: What's your favorite terrestrial??

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Thanks much, Bamboozle. Very helpful and interesting!

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Thanks for all the great suggestions guys. Now i have even more flies on me "to tie" list.

Posted on: 2007/3/13 20:15
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