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Re: The Spotburning Thread

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Extrapolation on BS would be alot of pun intended BS. 90 percent of that fish "lived" in about 10 percent of the stream. There were certain habitat that they lived in, the rest was literally devoid of fish. You could find 50 fish under one bush then none for 150 yards. I am not talking about them by just fishing either, Im talking about exploring, walking through reaching under cress etc. There is alot to it and if you hardly fished it you really no offense, can't commentate on it accurately.

Posted on: 2012/2/7 14:20


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As BMarx points out, the stream was NEVER surveyed in the lower half and that’s the section that held the highest numbers of fish and also the biggest fish.


Big Spring creek - both the lower FFO and the ATW sections below town - have been surveyed dozens of times since 1959 including the recent survey in Sept.

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You have trumped me and the PFBC, what can I say or commentate at this point?

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This is good humor.FYF

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I swear I'm drawn to this thread like a, a, well, I don't know what.

Posted on: 2012/2/7 14:36


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FI,
The section GW and I are talking about is not and was not surveyed. Again incase you cant read, I was with them on SEVERAL of these surveys over more than one year. They SAID WE DONT SURVEY THAT STRETCH.

YES I do Trump you, and no im not trumping the PFBC, simply stating they DONT SURVEY CERTAIN SECTIONS. They take samplings, and most of the samplings they take are short stretches where all the fish are concentrated in say 45 percent of the entire survey length. For example if they sample 100 yards, most if not all the fish are in a 45 yard or smaller stretch. In a pod, under the only habitat suitable coverwise.

You should say, I (JackM) can't really speak on this topic, especially this stream because I (JackM) don't have enough experience with this said stream/topic.

FI they survey small stretches of water here and there it is not all telling. Even in the water they do survey many of the fish go uncounted, I stood next to them and helped measure fish on more than one occassion. What part of that don't you understand.

Posted on: 2012/2/7 14:39


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I'm with Squatch on this...it's like a bad car accident that you cannot stop looking at.

C'mon Jack, you old devil...just tell him he's right and save us all (I didn't say you have to believe he's right).

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thread derailed....


getting sick of the drama on here.

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Spot burning, spot burning....I think some of you guys need to find a nice "burn spot", sit down and well, burn one!


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Spot burning, spot burning....I think some of you guys need to find a nice "burn spot", sit down and well, burn one!




bhaaaaa....just don't inhale. That's funny!

Posted on: 2012/2/7 14:54
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JackM wrote:
I just saw five members browsing this thread and 4 anonymous users. Even the bait-chucking, freezer-filling lurkers are enjoying the debate. Probably hoping to find out what streams are allowed to be discussed and which one's not.



The non members(lurkers/trolls)you see here may or may not be a factor. I sometimes don't log in. Sometimes I'm running under a proxy ip. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this. Just say'n.

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GW,

I do get what you're saying. You and BMarx obviously have spent a lot more time on the water at BigSpring and I won't get into a &^% swinging contest over who's the superior angler.

But, as has been pointed out, some of us have a familiarity with that stream that stretches the timeline out beyond 7-8yrs and gives us a different perspective. As such, you probably go to BigSpring with a different experience in mind than when I do. I took a long break from 'serious' fishing to pursue and achieve some bike racing dreams over the last dozen or so years and now that I have the time again I'm back into the sport of the angle. I still pedal aplenty and ski when conditions are suitable, and tie flies and recently picked up the violin again, would like to get into building cane rods sometime soon, etc, etc. I like to get out on the water for a few hours at a time, rarely if ever am I on the water sunrise to sunset. I'm passionate about my fishing, but it's not my sole pursuit.

I just find your and BMarx's claims that BigSpring has been 'ruined' to be ridiculous. Whether it's by the work of a lot of passionate fellow anglers, or by the claimed spot burning on this site or one of the many, many, many other sites that promote BigSpring, none of this has caused the ruination of BigSpring. As a point to ponder, how do you think the propsed poultry farm would've played out if there hadn't been this uptick in popularity? What if was just yours and BMarx's voices to be heard, without the backing of those that have recently been turned on to this gem of a stream?

So, yeah, sorry, but it irks me to read your soapbox opinion based upon your self aknowledged expertise on the subject when it doesn't exactly jive with what I'm seeing and personally experiencing. Complaining about spot burning, but having posted pics of fine fish from the stream yourself is a bit ironic. And between calling out a lot of very dedicated, knowledgable, self sacrificing folks as 'idiots' to making claims of 'ruination!!', I just don't find some of your posts agreeable. I'm sorry that you find the project(s) on BigSpring to be so horrible, from what I've picked up here and elsewhere, it's been a contentious issue from the start. But, it is what it is now. I still find the fishing there to be excellent, I have yet to deal with the reported overcrowding and the stream appears to me to be as healthy as it's ever been, based upon the years that I've known it. And I have faith that it will continue to get better, whether it's in spite of or due to our efforts as a whole to be good stewards.

Posted on: 2012/2/7 15:17


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So where is this Big Spring everyone speaks of? Is it stocked or does it have native brown and rainbow trout? Can someone tell me what flies to use and where to park? I usually only keep a fish or two every time out to fertilize my garden. Really helps get those bell peppers pretty big.

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They bottle water out of it.

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FI,
The section GW and I are talking about is not and was not surveyed. Again incase you cant read, I was with them on SEVERAL of these surveys over more than one year. They SAID WE DONT SURVEY THAT STRETCH.

FI they survey small stretches of water here and there it is not all telling. Even in the water they do survey many of the fish go uncounted, I stood next to them and helped measure fish on more than one occassion. What part of that don't you understand.


Your claim that the "lower half" has NEVER been surveyed is factually incorrect.
The most recent survey done in Sept did in fact look at the "lower half" of the FFO and some short sections of the ATW below Nealy RD in the vicinity of the Lutheran Home. To be sure, it did not cover the entire FFO: the very lowest section (a few hundred yards of water above Nealy Rd) was not checked. The ditch was not checked this time either. Everything in between was surveyed, covering the majority of the FFO. The ditch has been checked dozens of times, as recently as 2007. The purpose of the most recent surveys was to assess fish populations above, below, and in, the restored section. In recent years, the PFBC has surveyed two or three control sections for purposes of comparison. This survey was a bit different and covered a larger section of stream. Sure, fish move around and electrofishing surveys aren't flawless but they provide the best scientific picture of fish populations and this recent survey reveals that trout are doing extremely well in the FFO section of BS. The areas checked in the ATW section were disappointing and did not reveal the number of fish that many had hoped.

Posted on: 2012/2/7 15:45

Edited by Fishidiot on 2012/2/7 17:04:23



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