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Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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O Snap! Blue stringer time!

When you say raccoons.........you mean the mullet and stringer brigade, amirght??

I wish they would not post that list ..... Way too many unemployed truck followers

These are just a few remarks on the last thread about stocking.

No Brookie elitism is just a myth...


Its a message board, where humans come to articulate their thoughts and feelings. Some humans are better at articulating than others. Some humans are better at interpreting the actual intent of the original articulater than others. But, in the end, its just a message board, populated by imperfect humans, some who post honest answers, some who post sarcastic answers, some who post misleading answers, and some who do all of the above and then some.

I don't view stocking thread discussions so much as a bait vs. fly thing, as it is a stock vs. wild thing. For that matter, I don't even like to phrase it in those terms - its not something that is 100% one against the other. I fish for trout with whatever I can catch them with; I'll adapt tackle to water conditions or sometimes my own fickle feelings on certain days. I don't view one as better than the other or more "pure" or even more "traditional". Does one have to use a bone hook and sinews to be a traditional angler? If one leaves some of the fur dry on the bone of whatever beast was slaughtered to give up the bone, does that make one a traditional fly angler?

There's elite, as in good at what they do - there are elite fly fisher people, spin fisher people, bait fisher people. That has to do with skill in technique. And there there is elite, as in attitude and the belief that one is "better" than someone else. The former I respect. The latter, I don't care for too much..

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Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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When I saw the title of the thread I immediately thought of Maclean's "A River Runs Through It." In the book and the movie, they looked down on a bait fisherman. St. Peter was a dry fly fisherman.

Also, fly fishing is characterized as an art form, at least relative to other types of fishing.

In Gierach's "Death, Taxes and Leaky Waders," he writes about purists and snobs. He mentions English chalk stream fly fishermen who believe anything other than catching a trout on a dry fly is poaching.

Consider the number of high-end equipment and accessory manufacturers. I'd bet they outnumber manufacturers of spin and cast manufacturers. There's no doubt in my mind that the industry targets a higher income market than producers of spin and casting equipment.

I don't think fly fishing is considered as elitist as it was 30 yrs ago, but it is elitist.

Posted on: 2013/2/7 21:08


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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I think the perception stems from the fact that most FF seem to approach fishing from a cerebral angle. The guys that I fish with are all interested in the how and why.......entomology, presentation, flow, stream conditions and even preservation (of wildlife and habitat). When I was primarily spin fishing....these were not things that I was overly concerned with.
I don't know that elitist is the word I would use, more educated about a hobby....yes. At least this is the case for me.

Posted on: 2013/2/7 22:04


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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T.A.P would be for special regulation catch and release AT.


Mike, that's good to hear and heartens me. But I would seriously consider changing the website to clarify this. It expouses opposition to C&R, Trophy Trout, and the like, which are not equated by many to exclude bait. I think it probably makes you more enemies than you deserve.

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Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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I - and I'll bet most other members of this forum - used to be a spin fishermen. And I've never looked down my nose at them now. We're just both fishing the way we want to - and I have no problem with that.
I even used to take my daughter - and more recently, granddaughter - spin fishing with bait when they were little. Just wanted to see them catch fish.

As for the afore mentioned subject of yellow creek - I can't understand why anymore would get PO'd about a section of creek that's less than a mile long being FFing only. Those spin guys can fish the whole rest of that creek, which has many miles of ATW.
Do these guys also get ticked about the many stream sections set aside for children only?

Posted on: 2013/2/7 23:51


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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If we are talking about skill, I know for a fact right now, it takes more skill to land a dry acrost the creek than it does to pitch a rooster tail or lure on a spinning setup. That being said I believe there are fisherman that have the skill set to be just as deadly with a fly rod or spin rod, just based on the fact they are highly skilled.


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Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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I - and I'll bet most other members of this forum - used to be a spin fishermen. And I've never looked down my nose at them now. We're just both fishing the way we want to - and I have no problem with that.


I agree. And I still spin fish from time to time. Last fall I posted a report with me catching 6 trout at Yellow Breeches on UL spin with Gulp Alive 1" minnows and NanoFil 2lb line (Maurice didn't like it too much, LOL but the FishIdiot came to my rescue..... he showed Mo that it's legal there) I usually see more spin guys at the Breeches than I see fly guys.

I think that "elitist" is a poor word for the guys that are serious. I've met so many guys with top shelf equipment and who take a serious approach to fly fishing, but they are so nice to talk to. Usually, they are just very educated? nothing wrong with that? I love to chat with smart people.

I love the time I spend fly fishing. It is the most enjoyable thing in my life!

Posted on: 2013/2/8 1:58


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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The guy who got me into fly fishing makes fun of people who spin fish. Personally, I don't hate on those guys. I do dislike the guys who go out with 3 treble hooks, and kill fish they will never eat. When I spin fish (haven't since I picked up the fly rod), I don't use minnows, worms, or anything of the sort. I use single hook spinners, rubber worms, rapalas that have been rehooked with single hooks on the front and back, ect.

Posted on: 2013/2/8 3:49


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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And, while I consider fly fishing to require many skills, it requires no more intricate skills than other types of fishing, so we would be hard pressed to say fly fishermen are more skilled than other types of fisherman.


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If we are talking about skill, I know for a fact right now, it takes more skill to land a dry acrost the creek than it does to pitch a rooster tail or lure on a spinning setup. That being said I believe there are fisherman that have the skill set to be just as deadly with a fly rod or spin rod, just based on the fact they are highly skilled.


Spin fishing became way too mechanical for me to enjoy it anymore. Atleast not near as much. Nothing got in my way. Every cast it seemed, was the perfect cast.

Elitism? I probably have some of that in me in some form. All you have to do is walk around the open water and look down at the ground, and then walk around a FFO and look down. Thats just for starters. But that was once me as well and I do my darndest not to forget that.
So I try to educate, I pick up their litter, and have released thousands of trout in a row. And every once in awhile I bring a new flyfisherman to the waters.

Posted on: 2013/2/8 6:13


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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If'n ya'll wanna see eliti$t, go down to OC or the Outer Banks and check out the sport fishers in the marinas. Us with our little bendy sticks ain't got nothing on that crowd.

Posted on: 2013/2/8 7:27


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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One thing I do not enjoy is encountering an angler who is the know it all. One who has 10,000 flies on him and looks like he jumped right out of a Orvis ad. And when conversating in a parking lot, he doesn't listen to you, as if he is the king of FF. This I dislike.

What I do like, is giving a new guy advice stream side, giving him flies, and sometimes guiding them. It feels really good to pay it forward. To show someone what was freely given to me by my FF mentor. That's what an elitist should do!

I also like meeting great anglers that are willing to explain their success when I arrive at a stream. A simple 10-15 conversation can save a lot of time trying to figure out fish feed behavoir. These are Elitist's in my book.

An Elitist practices humility in all his affairs, attraction is the greatest promoter of successful, right thinking individuels. Possitive vibes maaaaaan!

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Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?
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If'n ya'll wanna see eliti$t, go down to OC or the Outer Banks and check out the sport fishers in the marinas. Us with our little bendy sticks ain't got nothing on that crowd.


No doubt about it.
When it comes to "status" and social elite......this fishing world is indeed in a league of it's own. Little people like me can walk the docks......but will only ever be on the outside looking in.

Posted on: 2013/2/8 7:55


Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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T.A.P would be for special regulation catch and release AT.


Mike, that's good to hear and heartens me. But I would seriously consider changing the website to clarify this. It expouses opposition to C&R, Trophy Trout, and the like, which are not equated by many to exclude bait. I think it probably makes you more enemies than you deserve.


I'm not sure what is meant by "would be" for that type of regulation. That type of regulation exists now, and has for some years.

Has TAP supported it? Have they sent a letter to the PFBC stating their support for that regulation?

If TAP really does support that type of regulation, they ought to make that clear, by sending a letter to the PFBC, and stating it clearly on their website. And including some suggestions of new stretches of stream they would like to see with this regulation.

Posted on: 2013/2/8 8:07


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Re: The Elitist Fly Fisherman....Reality or Myth?

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To my fellow flyfishers. There is quite a bit of elitism, i.e. quite a few flyfishers who give baitfishers the evil eye and cold shoulder when out on the stream.

I recommend not doing that, for a few reasons. One is that if you talk to these guys, you can often learn a lot about the stream, the trout, the history, land ownership. And you'll often hear some fun, interesting memorable stories.

Another reason is that many of these guys are friends or relatives of the landowners. It's very important to keep up good relations with the landowners because that can mean the difference between open or closed access. If you are civil and friendly with the local fishermen, that helps maintain good relations with the landowners.

If the flyfishers and spinfishers and landowners can all "just get along" it allows for compromises, such as the one reached on the Penns Creek regulations, and hopefully with allow for access in the future. If you get the landowners mad, the game is over. And one way of getting them mad is disrespecting their friends and relatives.

Posted on: 2013/2/8 8:24



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