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Re: Stream Reports! What Stream Reports?

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The people who whine about stream reports seem to have got their way based upon the several comments, including mine, that the griping isn't worth the trouble. It's time we turn the tables. Dave, give me permission to delete replies that are in the nature of criticism of posting of information. If we don't have to deal with the negative comments, it will eliminate the problem for many.


Didn't it used to be that you couldn;t reply to stream reports...you could post them but there wasn't an opportunity for feedback..they were what they were...reports...Questions belonged in the "Stream Locations" thread...

I also like the idea about only registered users could post or read reports just like the off topic section..

Posted on: 2008/5/23 8:42


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Didn't read all the replies, but I knew I had to come back and clarify: all I suggest is that comments railing against the concept of stream reports would be prohibiited on the Stream Reports forum. Feel free to express your dissatisfaction in the General Forum or by PM, which are more easily ignored or deleted by the recipient. All I wish to know is if comments within stream reports which are nothing more than a bellyache against the report itself should be deleted. I think Dave already has granted me such authority and I think the Stream Report Rules already exclude such comments, but wanted to know if Dave would stand behind that interpretation of mine publicly.

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Sal – you changed my mind. I gave a thumbs up to the “halfway measure” of allowing stream reports to be viewed by any registered user. I agree with Sal, the perfect solution would be to allow access to stream reports to those who actively participate on the board. If that were the case I also would be willing to share more info about the “where to” not just the “how to”. There are many on this board who have vast knowledge of fly-fishing the many streams in PA. Openly sharing that info and comparing notes on a forum would be awesome, and Dave K's vison of a gathering meaningful data-base of stream reports from across the State would become a reality. I’m with ya Sal!

Posted on: 2008/5/23 8:52


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The idea that now seems prevalent, is that it's OK to post about several of the most famous streams, but no other streams. That further increases the crowding on those famous streams.

Stream reports would be better if they helped people spread out, and learn new water. If they serve to further increase the concentration into a few areas, that's not a good result.

Posted on: 2008/5/23 8:58


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Fish were slamming Sulphurs all over the rivers pools last evening, they were probably wondering where all the fishermen were?? Too much water but mostly TOO WINDY.

Posted on: 2008/5/23 10:49


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2 Cents: Many forums are too darned fragmented, most guys hit the topic which has the most activity and ignore or don't even look at the rest, but I think you should be registered to view reports. As far as the past two weeks which should be the most active two weeks of the year, the fishing has been lousy, too cold too much water. Guys don't have anything to report!

Posted on: 2008/5/23 11:02


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-No reply to stream reports. They are reports not discussions. Do that in the general forum.

-Push the uniform format!

-Only viewed by members that have posted over X times.

-X should be relatively low but more than 1 or 2. If it were too low all of the current trollers would just make a dumb post and continue to troll.

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Registered Users Only sounds good (though not necessary, in my opinion); X number of posts to view sounds like a logistical site maintenance nightmare.

I like being able to reply to a report if the result of the reply is clarification of information or adding additional useful information, but think that being allowed to moderate by deleting posts that merely complain about the report having been made is an essential tool.

Again, no one will be prohibitted from discussing the usefulness or wisdom of stream reports if they want to open that topic elsewhere, but they wouldn't be permitted to do so in the forum or on a legitimate stream report thread.

Posted on: 2008/5/23 11:39
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I'm in agreement with the others as well. Limit the access to only registered users and with more than X posts. I think RyanH is on the right track with a relatively low # of posts, but not too low. I would think 10 is a reasonable number. That way, when a new member joins, they have a little incentive to get more involved. 10 posts really isn't that many but I feel it is enough to keep a lurker from posting useless information just to reach the minimum number required to gain access to the reports.
I also like the idea of not allowing replies to a report.
I know I very much enjoy reading the reports. I actually have PM'd Sal before and told him how I like fishing vicariously thru him while sitting behind my desk at work and to continue posting.

Maybe some sort of template could be made for the reports. Something like:
-Stream Name
-Time Fished
-Hatches Observed
-Flies Used
-Water/Air Temp
-Weather Conditions
-Other Comments

Just a thought, as I really have no clue how much work it would be to set something like that up. Or if it's possible.

Posted on: 2008/5/23 12:01


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Why not let people do a little research?
Some people put effort into finding a nice place to fish and here comes the mob turned on by promises of``easy fishing'' from the kiss and tell faction.
Of course you could always use disinformation to find a little solitude.
``reports are coming in that the middle branch of the White Clay creek in Chester county is hot right now.Anglers are averaging two dozen releases in the 18" to 24" range of battling rainbows.Prolific hatches of San Juan Worms,Fledermaus and muddler minnows have been spotted coming off all day long."
Those of us who like a little solitude are always going to resent those who want to promote``hot spots''.Thats a given so it would be a reasonable compromise to require a little effort-log in -plus something else-

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If the report section is just for reports; and this is violated on a majority of the post there, why not make a seperate forum for fishing stories. One that allows people to say things like "was out and caught 14 fish on nymphs and 2 on dries. By the way do you think this fish is stocked???"

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I don't think a majority of the Stream Reports violate the stated policy. Maybe the majority of follow-ups do. I try to watch closely and move threads that begin outside the stated parameters. Unfortunately, there is no way to move errant follow ups and my only options are to delete them or leave them. As long as the initial post that starts the thread is a valid report, I tend to give broad leaway to the comments that follow.

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I am a relatively new, out of state, low # of posts poster. With that description, I am sure that some on here would see me as the definition of the title "LURKER". I can assure you that I am not, however, maybe if I explain why I occasionally visit this site and why I elect not to post more often, perhaps you may better understand who is "out there" and what do they want.
I was an active member of the FFP forum for a number of years. It was a great place to read about and learn about flyfishing in Pa. as well as other places. I have made some life-long friends because of that site and I will be forever grateful for that. I believe, many of those who visit this site and don't post are people who are relatively new to the sport and are trying to learn. They don't post because they are intimidated and sometimes don't even know what to ask. It is a tough and intimidating sport when you are starting out. Hell, it's still tough! This seemed to be the case at the FFP site when new posters registered. They had all "lurked" for some time before finally getting up the nerve to post. I am sure that there are "bad" people out there, but certainly not the majority. Further to this, I cannot remember when I have seen poaching or illegal behavior on a popular stretch of stream that has been talked about in a stream report. That is not to say that I haven't found discarded bait containers and such that COULD indicate this type of activity.
At the FFP site, stream reports were posted regularly and with much anticipation. These reports allowed the free flow of the latest info and conditions on the most popular streams with a not so popular or well known stream report thrown in once in a while. As long as someone didn't start screaming about somebody "outing" a secret stream, it usually seemed to fly under the radar. I was given a "secret" stream 5 or 6 years ago by a fishing buddy who knew that I was going to be in the area. He said that it wasn't exactly a secret but not too many people fished it. It was a beautiful mountain limestoner and not a soul in sight. I have fished it a grand total of twice. Always meaning to go back but I have to pass a whole lot of other good water to get there not to mention the fact that I would feel a little guilty if I was there fishing on my own and ran into him. Needless to say, I have never spoken to another soul about this stream. And therein lies the rub of this post. I found no evidence of fishermen on this stream. No discarded mono, flies, lures, not even bait containers. What I did find, however, is at the place where I parked to gain access, there was a discarded air conditioner, bags of old clothers, deer carcass, shoes, refridgerator, etc. The place was being used as a dump. Further towards the stream were Sheetz styrofoam cups, fast food bags, plastic drinking cups, etc. WTF! Nobody takes care of this stream. Maybe, just maybe, if flyfishers knew about it, talked about it, cared about it, it would be an even better gem. Of course, it wouldn't be a "secret" anymore.
The biggest problem that I see with stream reports is when someone posts their version of "porn" with all the gory details. It gives people a false sense of hope that if they go there they will catch these monsters as well. That was the problem that I had, personally, with the FF article on the Little J. The picture on the cover was disgusting and a misrepresentation. Articles have been written about streams since people started fishing them. You may remember an article if it was of a stream that you fish. Many will remember the article on the Little J because of that cover. I do not fault Eric Stroup. I fault the mag.
So, there you have it. I, like many others I suppose, come to this site like I would read a FFing mag. To "catch up" on what is going on, and live vicariously through those who are astream when I am not. I don't post often because I find no compelling reason. Most information on this site seems to be couched in secrecy and ungenerous. It may not be true, but that is how it seems. I have tried on occasion to lend info, insight or some other asset to enrich a particular thread and it has registered an absolute "zero". Perhaps this post will prove the same.

Cheers, Mike

Posted on: 2008/5/23 14:40
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Mike,

From a purely technical POV, I doubt if it is even possible to restrict people from viewing a forum unless they have "X" number of posts. It is possible to restrict a forum to only registered users of the site.

From a philosophical POV, I don't know if I like restricting the reports at all. The site was founded to share reports, and I like the community of "free" stream reports. Like you, I dislike a stream report that is more about bragging than information. I think that is why JackM and DaveK came up with the minimum standards for information to be included in a report.

From a practical POV, I think restricting the reports to registered users does make some sense. Some people are concerned about who is seeing the reports and restricting the users to folks who bothered to register is some reassurance.

People are always going to gripe when they see a particular stream mentioned. If your secret stream is mentioned in a report maybe you'll be upset too. But overall, I believe as you seem to, that trout streams need friends. A stream with one person caring about it and a thousand people trashing it is going to be choked off.

Bottom line, I don't know if anything is going to change with the reports. And if things do change, I have no idea right how. I do think it's good that people are expressing themselves. Thanks for your input.

Posted on: 2008/5/23 15:15
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Re: Stream Reports! What Stream Reports?

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mikeyB,

I totally agree with your perspective.
People's paranoia gets in the way of using the internet as a tool for good works on our streams.
That being said, I don't want to post things that I know will get people upset anymore. I'm tired of fighting on the internet. I have better things to do with my time, like go fishing.

I will start posting again if the viewing of reports is restricted to registered members because I have seen this work well on another steelhead board.

Bill

Posted on: 2008/5/23 18:29



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