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Panfish invading a trout stream!

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My brother and I decided to head out to a little stream today which usually fishes well after a good rain. Well, it didn't disappoint us. It fished REALLY good today, but most of our catch consisted of bluegills, pumpkinseeds, green sunfish, crappie, and even a little bass!! Don't know what's up. Other than today I think I caught a total of one panfish(a green sunfish if I remember correctly) total there, and today they were in just about every nice sized hole from about where we started to where we ended which was a total of 2 miles. Maybe a pond flooded over in the headwaters? Who knows. Last time I fished it was earlier this summer and there were no signs of any panfish then.

Despite the tons of small panfish, the trout are doing fine. The stream was a lot lower and clearer than I was hoping for, but we made it work. Caught a bunch(mostly dinks like the second pic, but some decent ones too) and lost/missed/spooked just as many including ones that would be happy to eat some of the smaller sunfish. Water temp was 58.

Just an odd day today...

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Posted on: 2013/9/22 18:48


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I love mixed day like that !

Posted on: 2013/9/22 18:52


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I was there in the rain yesterday. It hasn't exactly been invaded. Those fish showed up after the bad floods this Summer. There are hybrid sunfish in the mix as well. They are most certainly washed down from a pond upstream during the flood. We've been tossing them out all Summer.

The good news: I had a buddy there a couple of weeks ago that saw a brown trout swimming up the middle of a pool with a 4" blue gill in his mouth.

Now, for the funny story. When we got there yesterday 4 guys were getting in a car. They had fly gear....what appeared to be 6wt rods. I was cracking up. That creek requires 3wt rods maximum. Leave the steelhead gear at home

We had an awesome day. About 2:30 yesterday afternoon the flows and stain came up and it was game-on! It was a fantastic afternoon. Here are a couple we caught.

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Posted on: 2013/9/22 18:59
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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That's what I figured with the floods. Just looking at Google maps there appears to be some ponds up in the headwaters, but the water had to have been really high for those fish to escape, and be as spread out as they are. At least the trout have a nice buffet for a while! Those are some nice fish, and that's exactly why I like to fish it after a really good rain. I guess I was just a little late today.



Posted on: 2013/9/22 19:18


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I think the upside to the bluegill etc. is that it is going to push some of those 16-18" fish into the 20"+ class. When those fish slow down over the Winter, the browns are going to feast even more. We'll see. Yesterday I caught my 9th different 16"+ fish on the creek. Didn't catch any of my old friends though.

Did a little stream maintenance along the way as well. Just removed some sticks and branches from a few of the major pools.

They should really start to intensify in color here pretty soon. Not much yet, but within the next few weeks they should really get pretty. I always enjoy hanging with my little butter belly buddies this type of year.

Posted on: 2013/9/22 19:27
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It would be interesting to see if the bigger fish take advantage of the new food source. I haven't caught or seen any legit 20 inchers out of there yet, but there's certainly enough habitat and now plenty of additional food for them. Even if they don't grow any longer, at least they'll be strong, fat fish!

I know it's still pretty early yet, but I kept an eye out for any early spawners. They will definitely start to color up here soon.

Posted on: 2013/9/22 19:46


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I don't usually see these fish spawn until early November. I usually take a walk around the stream that time a year and just take photographs. It's pretty cool to see.

Posted on: 2013/9/22 19:51
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Interesting.
Most small, freestone trout creeks in my neck of the woods have transient summer/early fall populations of sunfish and bass. Some years they are extremely thick and other years less so, but they're always there. Almost all of them vacate the creeks after first frost to return the following summer.
My guess would be that the sunnies in this creek will be gone within the next month - I doubt that they're still going to be there at trout spawning time......but yuh never know. If you guys hit this creek later this year, it would be interesting to hear if you're still seeing so many WW fishes.

Posted on: 2013/9/22 20:10


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You are correct sir. There have always been a few green sunfish in the deep pools. An occasional dink SMB down low. This year the pools were stuffed with bluegill, hybrid blue gill, huge crappie, smb and lmb. Highly improbable if not impossible for those fish to get past the lower falls to the upper pools.

Posted on: 2013/9/22 20:24
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Most small, freestone trout creeks in my neck of the woods have transient summer/early fall populations of sunfish and bass. Some years they are extremely thick and other years less so, but they're always there.


Interesting. About a month ago I fished a different wild trout stream and came across a bunch of sunfish. Not a lot, just a couple in the slow pools. It's a good stream for both wild and stocked trout but I wasn't really expecting to see sunnies. Makes me wonder what other streams they're in.


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We've been tossing them out all Summer.


as in tossing them out of creek when caught?

Posted on: 2013/9/22 21:28


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Looks like a fun little excursion. Did you fish any dry flies? Interesting about the sunfish/bass. I wonder if they may have come up stream seeking refuge from the heavy flow after the rain?

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streamerguy wrote:
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Most small, freestone trout creeks in my neck of the woods have transient summer/early fall populations of sunfish and bass. Some years they are extremely thick and other years less so, but they're always there.


Interesting. About a month ago I fished a different wild trout stream and came across a bunch of sunfish. Not a lot, just a couple in the slow pools. It's a good stream for both wild and stocked trout but I wasn't really expecting to see sunnies. Makes me wonder what other streams they're in.



They can get annoying in the summer in Clark's above the dam, that's for sure.

Boyer

Posted on: 2013/9/22 22:32


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Clarks is what came to my mind as well, only below the dam.

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Those fish showed up after the bad floods this Summer.
Multiple times after floods I've seen this on Clarks.

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I think the upside to the bluegill etc. is that it is going to push some of those 16-18" fish into the 20"+ class.

I never figured trout to be much of a threat to sunfish considering the size of the trouts mouths, until I watched two attack one and litterally tear it in half on Clarks.
What a way to go. It was so savage I remember feeling a hint of remorse for the little feller.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 5:55


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Brown trout don't care. It just takes what it wants...

Posted on: 2013/9/23 6:49
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