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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Streamerguy -

If this is the same stream where I met you briefly earlier this summer - biker fish and I caught several sunfish that day there also.
Doesn't surprise me. Flooding has impacted that stream a lot - a few of my favorite holes where drastically changed, or not even there any more.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 7:07


Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Now, for the funny story. When we got there yesterday 4 guys were getting in a car. They had fly gear....what appeared to be 6wt rods. I was cracking up. That creek requires 3wt rods maximum. Leave the steelhead gear at home



I don't think that is funny at all except for your choice of the word "requires." I believe what is required is what you have.

BTW, a lot of us old timers would find it funny that anyone would think a 3wt or smaller is required.





Posted on: 2013/9/23 8:27
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Although I've never fished it, I'm pretty sure I know what stream is being discussed here and its general topography. In this case, I think it's more likely the Sunfish and LMB are escapees from ponds or some other type of impoundment in the watershed, upstream from the mouth a ways. It's unlikey (if not impossible?) these fish navigated their way upstream from the larger receiving stream.

I've seen this on a few wild Trout streams in my area too, generally after flooding events. The fish that escape or are washed out of their pond/impoundment are generally pretty small and don't fare too well in the small stream environment. Sure, a few will figure it out and adapt to the current and the drop in Summer water temperature, but most will just continue to vacate downstream, or become food for the stream's resident fish.

Not sure if PatrickC was indicating they were banking the WW fish or not, but in either case, nature will sort this out pretty quickly. Any stream that holds a healthy population of wild Brown Trout, as I'm certain this one does, will not be suitable for growing and supporting Sunfish and LMB for an extended period of time. The water will not get warm enough, for long enough of a duration in the Summer to allow them to grow properly. In addition, this is a pretty steep stream...Sunfish and LMB are generally speaking not very fond of current, and will avoid it if at all possible. They'll do ok in the pools, but this is where the big Browns generally live and big Browns in my experience don't like to share their pool with anything that is small enough for them to eat. Eventually (over a couple of years) the cold or cool water species will win out and effectively eliminate the WW fish. You may end up with a couple of rogue fish that grow big enough to make it in the stream, but for the most part the WW fish will just disappear. For now, I'd just look at them as additional forage for the Browns. You probably will see some of the better fish in this stream (mid teens from what I've gathered in this thread and others) turn into upper teens fish for a couple of years thanks to the influx of "big fish" food.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 9:29


Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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I don't think that is funny at all except for your choice of the word "requires." I believe what is required is what you have.

BTW, a lot of us old timers would find it funny that anyone would think a 3wt or smaller is required.






If I offended you, you certainly have my apologies.


Posted on: 2013/9/23 9:37
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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You probably will see some of the better fish in this stream (mid teens from what I've gathered in this thread and others) turn into upper teens fish for a couple of years thanks to the influx of "big fish" food.


I agree. I want to see a 20"+ from this creek. 19" is the largest I have seen. Hopefully this pushes them a little further. The good news is that the fish are always fat and healthy. And they will continue to be that way.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 9:41
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Let us not be concerned with other's gear, least we be of our own. I have taken my 9 ' 10 weight down to PennypackPark just to practice.....The side effect is I catch fish with it. It's nice to try out homemade bass flies/streamers so close to home to see if they will hold up. Some of them I have trouble casting with my 3wt and even my 5wt. Best one I made so far was a streamer with brown and yellow hair and a green bead head. got a bit of everything to nail it. No trout in the creek at this time. Waiting to see if they stock it this fall.

A lot of the mixture of fish in any creek or lake is governed by a few other factors "Water Temp" and "access".

Posted on: 2013/9/23 10:10
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Heck, I'm not sure, by just looking at someone put gear into a car, if I could spot what weight their rod is! Length, maybe, but not weight.

And for me, anyway, my most commonly used small stream rod is 7'6" 4/5 wt, and I have 5 wt and 7 wt line for it. The smaller the stream, the more likely I am to use the 7 wt line!

I've never personally fished this one, but I know what stream it is and know plenty of people who have. I'd very likely use the 7 wt line on it.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 10:32


Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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FarmerDave wrote:

I don't think that is funny at all except for your choice of the word "requires." I believe what is required is what you have.

BTW, a lot of us old timers would find it funny that anyone would think a 3wt or smaller is required.






If I offended you, you certainly have my apologies.



I sincerely doubt FD was really offended, but I don't know man...I remember you giving me crap about my choice of rod on upper Tea at the Jam 2 years ago. I believe it was a 6' 6wt Phillipson!

Posted on: 2013/9/23 10:37


Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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If I offended you, you certainly have my apologies.


I don't offend easily, but thanks anyway. I was just busting your chops.

It did make me think about how I must have looked on Penns creek using my bamboo steelhead rod when I had a 5/6 plastic rod in my truck. I figured it was OK though since in my hands it really doesn't look like a 7 weight.

But for your penance, if you ever fish at my farm, you will be required to fish with a Zebco 202 using garden hackle and a round plastic strike indicator for the first few minutes. The Zebco, and strike indicator will be provided for you.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 10:41
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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But I would definitely feel better if you told me in a PM what crick you caught those browns in. Those were some nice fish.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 10:43
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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If I offended you, you certainly have my apologies.


I don't offend easily, but thanks anyway. I was just busting your chops.

It did make me think about how I must have looked on Penns creek using my bamboo steelhead rod when I had a 5/6 plastic rod in my truck. I figured it was OK though since in my hands it really doesn't look like a 7 weight.

But for your penance, if you ever fish at my farm, you will be required to fish with a Zebco 202 using garden hackle and a round plastic strike indicator for the first few minutes. The Zebco, and strike indicator will be provided for you.


I fished many a Zebco 202 in my childhood. It was my first reel on the Zebro crappie rod. I still have the rod. Not sure whatever happened too the reel.

As for the creek... I assumed you knew the creek based on where you live. You know all of the other creeks in western PA.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 11:00
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Just cause he likely knows it doesn't mean he knows which one it is. The description could fit a number of streams, no? You could describe my favorite stream to me, and I may not know that's the one you're describing.

I do think I know this one though, because my brother fishes a similar sounding stream that had a strange influx of warmwater fish this year. Can't be too many of those.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 11:32

Edited by pcray1231 on 2013/9/23 11:51:20


Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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Just cause he likely knows it doesn't mean he knows which one it is. The description could fit a number of streams, no? You could describe my favorite stream to me, and I may not know that's the one you're describing. ....


Thanks for explaining that

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Edited by PatrickC on 2013/9/23 11:57:51
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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You guys are cracking me up. Thanks.

And for the record, I did not know this one, but I'll admit that I should have been able to guess it. I definitely would have gotten it from Pats additions. Thanks for spot burning that, Pat.

I think my judgement was clouded because it reminded me of something. All I could think of was an acquaintance in Western PA who expressed a desire to stock a beaver dam on a wild trout stream with bluegills and bass. I think my exact response was: "ARE YOU NUTS!"

Posted on: 2013/9/23 11:51
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Re: Panfish invading a trout stream!

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backed off my description to be more ambiguous. Do the same with the quote.

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