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PFBC Commissioners and Tailwater Wild Trout-Article

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Agency Serious About Trout Tailwaters Now

Note that much of this effort must be negotiated with the Army Corps of Engineers and/or with other states.

Posted on: 2012/8/9 9:57


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This is fantastic news. Seems as if the Pfbc has finally realized the potential, that many of us talked about and have tried to fight for. I am currently drafting a letter on behalf of WPTU, and with the backing from LCFA, LRSA, and Pohopoco Rod and Gun Club, to investigate further the Pohopoco Creek tailwater potential. This article puts hope in what many of us thought was possibly a lost cause

The Pfbc's possible change of stance on the Lehigh is finally some good news for all that have worked hard over the years to see the Lehigh become a great tailwater. Still a lot of work to do, but the LCFA and others should be beaming with pride, on what they have accomplished!

Posted on: 2012/8/9 10:26
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I wonder what the guys who like to fish for bass and walleyes below the Raystown Dam think about this. I wonder how far down the main Juniata River this could affect. (this coming from one who fishes almost exclusively for trout)

Posted on: 2012/8/9 10:30


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RRT - do smallmouth and walleye like 60 degree water?

If managed properly, I doubt there will be any affect to the Juniata.

And, how many good tailwaters trout fisheries do we have in PA vs coolwater/warm water fisheries?

Posted on: 2012/8/9 10:34


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I can't really answer your questions, though smallies around here seem to favor water that gets into the 70's and 80's, water that is too warm for trout. I just wonder what the warmwater enthusiasts in Huntingdon and elsewhere who frequent the warm, running water below the dam will think and how they'll react. We trout enthusiasts aren't the only fishermen out there. This could open a can of worms that might be pretty unpleasant.

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DGC,
great post..kinda nice that a few of these mentioned are located in the eastern part of the state,Francis Walter Dam { Lehigh River}, Beltzville Dam {Pohopoco a trib of the mighty Lehigh river},Lake Wallenpaupack Dam{Lackawaxen River a trib of the Delaware},and even the Cannonsville Dam { West Branch of the Delaware river}.
Imho theres still a need for better habitat restoration,company like CFI Global Fisheries does some really amazing stuff to make good fisheries even better...heres a link check it out:

http://www.cfiglobal.com/index.html

i have fished a few of these projects before an after they have done work on em out west.Man the places i have fished were good but man o man they were really good when they finished.
All the cold water in the world wont do you no good unless you have the invertabrates an habiat to increase better fish holding lies.
I cant imagine what the Raystown Dam /Juniata would be like if they got it cold like the Delaware or the Pohopoco.....some folks would never have to leave central pa,between the spring creeks/limestoners/freestoners..and a great Tailwater?sheesh

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RRT - No one likes change, especially to their "own" personal waterway. But I don't think those that are affected by any changes should hold the PFBC hostage when they are trying to improve our states resources, with in reason.

See, Midnight Anglers post

http://www.paflyfish.com/forums/open- ... h-and-release-stretches/2,26456,0,30,0,0,ASC.html

This policy is good for PA trout fisheries, good for PA Anglers, good for PA's economy too. If the agencies caved to everyone's complaints, there would be no state highway system either.

My bet is if managed properly, both smallie, walleye and trout will provide a really nice fishery.

Posted on: 2012/8/9 10:56


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RRT,
it is my understanding that the Juniata hasnt fished as good as it used to for over a decade.I am not saying that the fishing is bad,but my understanding is that it had dropped from its former glory for smallmouth.I know a few guys that used to drive out there alot to fish the Juniata an had relayed that it was not the fishery it had been.I also know that theres alot of things that have to have a say before the water would get changed.
I do know that when you have a tailwater an the releases are too cold you lose some hatches,then again you get certain hatches that just welll kick butt as well.
I really like fishing the Pohopoco, but the average fish unless yer targeting the tube isnt anything to write home about.It does have nice hatches though an the water is always cold all summer above that dam in perryville.that impoundment doesnt help the temps for water leaving it as much as if there was no impoundment IMHO.
YMMV.

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Actually, the Parryville dam does not affect temperatures below. I have personally done temp studies, thinking it did. The biggest problem of the damn dam is fish movement. However, it has been pretty well established that the dam is not going anywhere. Palmerton boro profits from selling the water to Horseheads corp. The pump house behind the dam is gravity fed, and the structure is needed for this to work. LRSA has received the grant money to purchase and install a Alaskan steep ladder, but the Pfbc will not release the money.

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Wish they would look at the Allegehny res.
The river could be a Big Brown Mecca if they would control the stinking temp fluctuations.

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This is fantastic news for the Lehigh. Hopefully PFBC has enough pull with the ACOE to get some changes made. The biggest hurdle will be securing the funds need to make changes to the tower, and changing their operating mode to allow more storage in the reservoir.
LehighRegular had said recently that studies were recently under way or completed showing the full potential to release cold water all year from FEW. Any idea when that data will be released?

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Regarding the Raystown Branch, the temperature and volumes of the releases could be tailored to provide good trout fishing from the dam to the mouth, without having much effect on the smallmouth fishery on the Juniata.

They can adjust things so that the temperatures at the mouth is about 70-74F degrees on a warm summer day. Which is about what you find at lower end of the Little Juniata on a warm summer day.

That would keep the trout thriving from the dam to the mouth. And have little, if any, negative effect on the Juniata smallmouth fishery. It might even help the lower end of the Juniata smallmouth fishery.

I think part of the problem with the smallmouth fishery in the Susquehanna and Juniata and other rivers is excessive temperatures. Most tributaries and headwaters streams that feed the rivers have temperatures that are elevated far above normal, because of loss of riparian shade, and warming from impoundments, sewage plants, etc. I've taken water temps up to 90F in the Susquehanna. Overly warm temps lead to lower oxygen levels, and perhaps more bacterial infections of fish.

So a little nudge towards slightly cooler temps in the Juniata could be more of a "correction" than an "impact."

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Cold waters in the northern part of our country don't seem to affect the smallmouth fisheries up there. I hope it could be manged to positively impact both.

Posted on: 2012/8/9 12:42


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The Corps is drafting the report for the modeling study for the FEW Reservoir/Lehigh River. I would expect a draft by the end of the month and the report put out to the public by the end of the year. At the earliest maybe at the Fall public meeting with the agencies (DCNR, ACOE and PFBC) there may be some information given about the results.

Posted on: 2012/8/9 12:50


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In regards to the concern over the Smallies...there is always a lot of talk of their optimum temperature being in the mid 80's for activity/metabolism, and that is probably likely the case. IMO however, Smallmouth fisheries tend to be healthier at lower maximum Summer temps...say in the upper 70's/low 80's. Less DO issues, less algae blooms, less baking of the YOY in the shallows. Sure the fish may grow a little slower, but I think that is overcome by higher survival rates from year to year due to less stress/disease and less freqent DO related small scale fish kills.

Smallmouth are still very active at 75 deg water temp, plenty active to chase and pursue flies or lures aggressively. Heck, the biggest Smallies every year are pulled out of the water prespawn in March/April it seems like. Granted they're not chasing top-waters then, but they still fish pretty well in cooler water.

I agree with tb...I think you can manage a tailrace for both Trout and Smallies. Naturally it will be more trout the closer you get to the dam, transitioning to more Smallies as you get further downstream, but overall I think the net gain to the watershed/fishery outweighs the net loss in this scenario.

Posted on: 2012/8/9 13:03



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