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Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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Noone said that there would be no bait fishing..... I say just reduce Creel limits and actually spend revenues on stream enhancements...... Those streams less than an hour away would get less pressure water quality would rise dramatically..... And so would fishing...... Only you couldn't kill as many and the ones you did catch might actually have been born in that watershed...... And wild trout are so much harder to catch chances are Creel limits may not even be met.... Personally I take so much more satisfaction in catching wild trout. It. takes a whole lot more to kill it than one you know was put in the water knowing it probably wouldn't survive more than a season.....

Posted on: 2013/4/3 15:30


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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I don't support ending the hatchery program.

I think the ideal solution is to continue stocking waters that can't support wild trout.

And manage streams that do support wild trout in ways that maximize their wild trout populations.

That approach would provide good recreation, and be environmentally and fiscally sound.



Posted on: 2013/4/3 15:33


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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SAS,

i was just saying that many of these resturants, bars, and such heavily rely on these days. I had talked to a bar tender who had said with out those 4 days they wouldn't make it, is all.

I think the county by county thing is a decent idea. I support the PFBC if they would help out co-ops a bit more. But areas such as State College, or Westchester would be able to have more income than lets say wharton or coudersport, in Potter county.

All in all I think we do a pretty decent Job. Personally i would like to se the limit down to 2. I don't mind artificial lure areas as much as I used to and agree with the fact that a bait guy "if they want to fish that area" could put on a spinner. the techniques would be just that same as bait fishing, casting is no different, tackle is no different, and I am warming up to that.

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Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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Ultimately, I think Troutbert's idea is best. I'm not against the state fishery program, just stop stocking over wild populations please.

Posted on: 2013/4/3 15:37


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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ryguyfi wrote:
...I can hit exactly 1 stream in about an hour drive that has wild fish.


Aint you ever heard of smallmouth, largemouth, bluegills, whatever, or don't you consider them to be fish? They are almost all wild.

Just sayin. Wouldn't bother me if they stopped stocking trout entirely. Well, at least not much.

I realize it wouldn't make economic sense though.


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Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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PeterM

"i wonder what would happen if you made it no stocking, and C&R only ALO...apart from kids ponds..."

This appears to insinuate ending bait fishing on streams, and this is what I was referring to.

Sas,

What about stocking trout over wild populations, with modified tackle restrictions? barbless hooks and such.

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Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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nevermind...

Posted on: 2013/4/3 16:24


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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Just seems to me IMHO.... the current state stocking program seems to feed on itself..... They stock cause the people fish..... And the people (some, not all) fish because they stock..... I just think there has to be a better way.....

Posted on: 2013/4/3 17:29


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All of the rules and regulations of the PFBC are found in a Chapter of the Pennsylvania Code entitled "Recreation." Keep this in mind. The PFBC was designated not only to preserve the resource, but also provide recreation. If 90% of the trout anglers are entertained by stocked trout, then why wouldn't we use the stocking process to protect our more precious wild resources?

The demand for trout angling by all methods and in a manner that allows a reasonable harvest in PA cannot be sustained by our wild resources. If it could, we would not stock. You can cut down allowable harvest and you can cut down on abundant trout opportunities in the Spring season, but you will also cut down on -- and cut out -- a lot of recreational anglers.

There is a happy medium. I don't care to defend the PFBC on always and everywhere reaching that optimum balance, but I think they do a pretty good job.

And I cringe when I see so much arm-chair quarterbacking from people who only have their own personal preferences in mind when they advocate certain management policies.

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Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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All of the rules and regulations of the PFBC are found in a Chapter of the Pennsylvania Code entitled "Recreation." Keep this in mind. The PFBC was designated not only to preserve the resource, but also provide recreation. If 90% of the trout anglers are entertained by stocked trout, then why wouldn't we use the stocking process to protect our more precious wild resources?

The demand for trout angling by all methods and in a manner that allows a reasonable harvest in PA cannot be sustained by our wild resources. If it could, we would not stock. You can cut down allowable harvest and you can cut down on abundant trout opportunities in the Spring season, but you will also cut down on -- and cut out -- a lot of recreational anglers.

There is a happy medium. I don't care to defend the PFBC on always and everywhere reaching that optimum balance, but I think they do a pretty good job.

And I cringe when I see so much arm-chair quarterbacking from people who only have their own personal preferences in mind when they advocate certain management policies.
Jack I could not agree more. Great post!

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Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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ryguyfi wrote:
I'll put it into the perspective of someone who doesn't live very close to any wild trout streams in PA.



that would be the main drawback.

the question is though, were they once trout waters ? - and could they be so again ?

and my comment about bait guys was very tongue in cheek


personally i think states like PA and CT are very forward looking with their classifications of streams, definitely ahead of MA, RI and VA so we're priviliged in that respect.


Posted on: 2013/4/3 17:59


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And I cringe when I see so much arm-chair quarterbacking from people who only have their own personal preferences in mind when they advocate certain management policies.


I cringe at such statements.

Posted on: 2013/4/3 18:42


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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And I cringe when I see so much arm-chair quarterbacking from people who only have their own personal preferences in mind when they advocate certain management policies.


I cringe at such statements.


Why? Does one person's opinion carry more weight than any other person's?
I am fine with voicing opinion, and appreciate hearing differing opinions, but should any one opinion become policy?

Posted on: 2013/4/3 18:53


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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I'll put it into the perspective of someone who doesn't live very close to any wild trout streams in PA.



Ryan I hear you, that same stream is the same distance for me, but from a different direction. Even with that I prefer to fish for wild fish. I do not fish the streams within an hour of my home. I knew that when I moved from Doylestown to Bridgeville that my fishing was going to suffer. When I moved it was going to be here or Houston TX. The primary reason for SWPA was due to fly fishing for trout.

If you feel passionate about fishing for trout, and making the commitment of travel is too much, moving is always an option. I would like to fish for Peacock Bass after work, but I don't demand/expect a govt. agency to make this possible.

Posted on: 2013/4/3 18:54


Re: NO MORE STOCKING!!!!!

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And I cringe when I see so much arm-chair quarterbacking from people who only have their own personal preferences in mind when they advocate certain management policies.


Said it once and ill say it again.
Next election, vote for the other guy then.

Stocking marginal streams is fine, stocking wild trout streams is like adding hot sauce to a habanero pepper.
Pointless and unneeded.

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