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Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE

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Not to go off topic, but Tim, I just replied to your private message from earlier in the month. Sorry it took so long.

Bob

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Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE
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This past August, US Claims court ruled in favor of the gov't in the original land use case that brought the Pa. Landowners Assoc. into being.

http://www.palandowners.org/victims.robertbrace.decisionpr.asp

After nearly 20 years of litigation and puffery, one of the longest Joan of Arc acts in history may finally be over...


Interesting. I am just curious how one can be "forced to enter into a consent decree?"

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Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE

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>>Interesting. I am just curious how one can be "forced to enter into a consent decree?">

Ha!

Probably the same way they "forced" St. Joan to the stake.

I think that was the intent of the spin...

Posted on: 2007/1/30 16:39


Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE

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omg! this is the best news in a long while for angler access in a long time. even though i hate the SRC and lands being posted, people should have the right to post thier land. i also hate pa's stance on navigable water. but the law is the law and they were breaking it. this is awesome!

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...people should have the right to post thier land. ...


I'll be tiresome and remind everyone that the Espy's do have the right to post the LAND. They don't have the right to stop people from wading or floating the river that courses through their land. So we can fish it, but don't walk across their lawn to get to it.

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I'll be tiresome and remind everyone that the Espy's do have the right to post the LAND. They don't have the right to stop people from wading or floating the river that courses through their land. So we can fish it, but don't walk across their lawn to get to it.


A very important reminder, that. Right now, I think it would be even more important to be respectfully of landowner's interests to avoid a backlash that might result in posting of land where access to the river can be attained. Now is the time for us anglers to prove ourselves worthy of the use that private owners permit in accessing navigable and non-navigable waterways. It might also be a good idea to help police your fellow anglers who might not be as courteoous as they should be.

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They don't have the right to stop people from wading or floating the river that courses through their land.


agreed. thats why i wrote:

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but the law is the law and they were breaking it


i just hope landowners dont see this as an attack!

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Would be great if Don Beaver lets some of his leased stretches on the River open to the public!


Fact is...so I've been told anyway, that he has as much leased open to the public as he does closed. I guess we'll see how much of that there was by the yellow signs.

I don't want to deflate the win, just be careful toward landowner relations. This decision will be played up in a huge way toward landowner rights toward non-navigable waterways. Jack M's point above is well stated.

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Posted on: 2007/1/31 1:14
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Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE

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Great news! Ring one up for the little guy

Posted on: 2007/1/31 7:10


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Great news! Ring one up for the little guy


It's good news for Tim Murphy and Seth, too!

By the way, here is the Post-Gazette's piece on the decision:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07031/758103-358.stm

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Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE

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Jack,
When I went to the link you posted, the google ad at the bottom was for SRC. Pretty ironic.

Posted on: 2007/1/31 8:10


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Their website still has the “Conditions, Rules and Expectations for Kayaks or Canoes licensed to pass through the private section of the Little Juniata River below the confluence of Spruce Creek”

http://www.springridgeclub.com/noticecanoes.html

It will be interesting to see if and when that is changed. Will DEP & PFBC have to take them back to court to force them to change their website?

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Re: Little Juniata Declared NAVIGABLE

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PaulG wrote:
Great news! Ring one up for the little guy


It's good news for Tim Murphy and Seth, too!



It's all relative.

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I think the decision sucks!

Posted on: 2007/1/31 8:39



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