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Large (Dead) Brookies

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This weekend I was fishing a local stream, which is also a Jam favorite. When I was walking back to my truck a man asked if I wanted a ride. Being that the truck was a few miles away I hopped in the back of his truck.

I noticed he was successful that day with a few wild brookies over 12".

While I'm sad to have witnessed the dead fish; knowing they will never be caught again, I am pleased to know larger fish exsist in streams that get fish heavily.

I'm also sure this stream sees a lot of pressue this time of year and the harvesting of these large wild fish a yearly occurance.

I will say I went to this stream because the other local stream were a bit high and I figured the water level there would be perfect (which it was). The downside is I didn't catch many fish, but I believe I was following in the path of several others that day.

Thoughts on the brookies?

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My thoughts are:
1. They were probably delicious;
2. Obviously the stream can handle it; and
3. Few will agree with me.

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If it's the stream I fish every year when we head to the JAM then I'd tend to agree with Jack. If not, then who knows. All I know is that for me an another fisherman to not come close to 50 fish in 3-4 hours is a bad day. I've seen/caught a good handful in the last 2 years in the 10" range, so wouldn't doubt theres a bunch in there in the 12" range. It probably sucks to see the good genetics come out of the stream, but as long as that's not a weekly occurance, then it's not really that bad.

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I do agree. As brookie streams go, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it gets POUNDED and still fishes well.

There's a limit to how many should be taken, I'm sure. But a few ain't gonna hurt nothing.

I'd also point out the road that runs along it happens to be along the route from town to many other brookie streams. Did he say he got them from that stream in particular? Some of those others are stocked, as well.

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How many brookies over 12 inches did he have?

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Quote:

JackM wrote:
My thoughts are:
1. They were probably delicious;
2. Obviously the stream can handle it; and
3. Few will agree with me.


Fully agree!

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Re: Large (Dead) Brookies

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Here's my thought.

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Even without knowing the stream, I think that its very unlikely that anyone caught a "few" native brook trout over 12 inches in the same day in that region.

They were probably stocked brook trout. Many of the trout stocked by the coop hatcheries look far better than the typical PFBC hatchery trout.

There are differences in appearance between those coop stocked brookies and native brookies, but those differences are subtle, and the great majority of fishermen wouldn't notice.

One clue: Catching a surprisingly large number of surprisingly large brook trout should put you on alert.

Also, the names of the streams stocked by the coop hatcheries are not published. The regs booklet shows only streams stocked by the PFBC. Any stream accessible by road in "Big Woods Country" has a pretty good chance of having some fish put in by the coop hatcheries. And I've seen hatchery trout in streams not near any roads, also, as in at least 1 1/2 miles from the nearest forest road. They must have been brought in by ATVs.

Native brook trout 12 inches and over exist in PA, but they are quite rare.

Regarding the larger question of whether native brookies are cropped hard, significantly affecting the populations, the answer is yes.



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did you take one ?

damn truck otters. lol.

>:oP


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Native brook trout 12 inches and over exist in PA, but they are quite rare.

I don't think brook trout over 12 inches are rare in PA. You are just not going to catch them in your typical brookie trickle where fish are rising to every adams that floats by. I also agree that some harvest of brook trout is not necessarily a bad thing and probably won't impact the fishery.

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Native brook trout 12 inches and over exist in PA, but they are quite rare.


I don't think brook trout over 12 inches are rare in PA.


What is your reason for thinking this?

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Limestoners like Big Spring and BFC and a few others. Just upstream of some lakes and large ponds on brookie streams. etc.

Aside from a few "non-normal" circumstances like the above, they are fairly rare, but still exist. "Normal" circumstances for brookies in PA = small to medium-sized, undammed, freestone streams.

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I would agree that a 12" native brookie is pretty rare, especially in a freestone stream. In 30+ years my best is still only 13.5". I have seen only 2 that were bigger.

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Don't brook trout only live for like 3-4 years? A 12 inch brook trout couldn't have much time left anyway, right?

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jeremy, in PA, yeah, 3-4 years is typical in the wild. In the right habitat, though, they can live double that. For instance, in the larger brookie rivers in Canada they get pretty old.

Also, the growth rate is highly habitat dependent. A 1 year old in a rich limestoner may be a full 10" while a 4 year old in an infertile freestoner may only be 7 or 8". There's that big of a difference from water to water.

Even on an infertile freestoner, you could have a bunch of 3 year olds which range from 4" to 12", depending on what hole they live in.

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