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LET'S GO NATIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Dear Board,

The recent annual Winter re-hash off all native and wild trouty stuff got me thinking?

"I wonder if all these people with all those great ideas advocating for the brook trout truly understand what they are advocating?"

So decided to compile a list of popular gamefish species in Pennsylvania making sure to note their home drainages.

For your amusement, consternation, or whatever. These are in no particular order.

Salmonids

Brook Trout - Native
Brown Trout - Invasive
Lake Trout - Lake Erie and Silver Lake Susquehanna County
Rainbow Trout - Invasive
Steelhead - Invasive
Golden Rainbow Trout - Genetic freak Hillbillies from WVA
Chinook Salmon - Invasive
Coho Salmon - Invasive
Kokankee and Pink Salmon - Invasive


Freshwater Bass

Smallmouth Bass - Ohio River and Great Lakes
Largemouth Bass - Ohio River and Lake Erie
Striped Bass - Delaware and Susquehanna Drainages
Black Crappie - Invasive
White Crappie - Possibly the Ohio Drainage
Bluegill - Delaware, Susquehanna, and Potomac Drainages
Rock Bass - Ohio River and Great Lakes

Pikes and Perches

Muskellonge - Lake Erie and Ohio River Drainage
Northern Pike - Ohio and Alleghany River Drainage
Chain Pickerel - Delaware, Susquehanna, and Potomac Drainage
Walleye - Lake Erie and Ohio River Drainages
Sauger - Ohio River Drainage

Temperate Bass

White Bass - Ohio Drainage
White Perch - Delaware, Susquehanna, and Potomac Drainages
White Bass/Striper Bass Hybrids - Invasive

Miscellaneous fish

Flathead Catfish - Ohio and Alleghany Drainages
Channel Catfish - Great Lakes Drainages
Herring - Delaware, Susquehanna, and Potomac Drainages
Shad - Delaware, Susquehanna, and Potomac Drainages
Paddlefish - Ohio and Allegheny Drainages
Sturgeon - Native
Bowfin - Native
Carp - Invasive

And last but not least

Suckers - Native

I saved suckers for last because it most accurately describes the "Save the brook trout" crowd.

Just think of all the fun we could have while we dried shad and smoked suckers and longed for the warm days when we could gig brook trout?

Some of y'all need to get out more and enjoy the diverse fishing opportunites that we have here in PA instead of lamenting about what once was because in reality as much as you lament you are all part of the problem you seek to rectify.

Just sayin'.

Regards,
Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2007/3/22 5:01


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ha! so true. i do other fishin but those there trouts are so much funner!

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I've done my fishing for all the invasive fish, and franky don't enjoy just sitting there waiting for fish to swim by my bait. The only time I ever had fun fishing for any of them was chucking Rapala's for LMB's. But the places I used t fish for them were former trout lakes. Think about all the glacial and spring fed lakes the could have native brookies in them that no longer do. Guys would complain then about brookies being small.

Posted on: 2007/3/22 7:15


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I was under the impression that that colonials called the walleye "the susquehanna salmon", therefore I assumed they were native. I also thought that stripers were in the river before all the dams, but i have proven my ignorance before, and am probably currently doing so. Oh well, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people. Yeah. That's me allright.

Boyer

Posted on: 2007/3/22 8:17


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I still wonder what the heck they were thinking when they brought over carp...
Why couldn't they have brought over Atlantic salmon or something cool?

Could you imagine the PAFBC creel survey of 1743....
"Our research shows that 100% of the carp that we stock stay exactly where they were placed. Furthermore they quickly multiply and drive out other non desirable fish such as brook trout. This is a resounding success for the PA fish commission. Now lets look at the 30 next graphs that mean absolutely nothing...."

Posted on: 2007/3/22 9:25


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You are starting to sound like a Republican, Tim.

"Suckers" may describe the save the brook trout "crowd", but it doesn't descrive me. Sure i sometimes fish for the non-native species, but I kill those.


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Posted on: 2007/3/22 9:59


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TimMurphy wrote:
Just think of all the fun we could have while we dried shad and smoked suckers and longed for the warm days when we could gig brook trout?


Quote:
Farmer Dave wrote:
You are starting to sound like a Republican, Tim.


Yeah, he does kinda sound like a raving lunatic.

Posted on: 2007/3/22 12:38


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Uh Tim? No to get picky, but the fish that you put under "Freshwater Bass" are actually all members of the sunfish family. I also see you included bowfin and even paddlefish, and yet you left out yellow perch, bullheads, and freshwater drum. Are you too good to fish for those native species.


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Uh Tim? No to get picky, but the fish that you put under "Freshwater Bass" are actually all members of the sunfish family. I also see you included bowfin and even paddlefish, and yet you left out yellow perch, bullheads, and freshwater drum. Are you too good to fish for those native species.



Dear Farmer Dave,

Hey, I couldn't remember ever stinking fish in the State before the message board timed out, so how about cutting me some slack?

Most of us who fish for species other than trout frequently catch non-native fish and are quite happy to do so. I wonder if some of those people who cry for the brook trout fish for any other fish, and if so how do they justify doing so without advocating for the swift demise of all the non-native fishes?

Not doing that just doesn't seem consistent to me?

Regards,
Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2007/3/22 15:47


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Something about having cake and eating it too....

oh yeah.... I'm also disgusted with the eagles. They are terrible.


See, unjustified or inconsistent complaining is fun!

(this does not necessarily give my opinion on the subject. I just couldn't resist)

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Your forgot to mention that brookies were the top predator in over 90 5 of PA waters. I'm not sure if Susquehanna Salmon were Walleyes, since they aren't native to the drainage, it may have been shad that were called Sus. Salmon or it could have been brookies, in season, many locales call trout salmon if they were known to migrate.

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Your forgot to mention that brookies were the top predator in over 90 [%] of PA waters.....


When, during the last Ice Age?

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Hey Jay!

Maybe you should move to the other side of the state where a real football team resides!!!


Go Steelers!

Posted on: 2007/3/22 17:03
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I think there's the danger that some people may misinterpret the brookie efforts. It's an effort to improve brookie populations. Or at the very least to keep them from falling further. That's all.

It's like trying to improve bass populations or crappie populations or bluefish populations or cod populations or whatever.

Why would efforts to improve brookie populations be considered "a bad thing?"

Posted on: 2007/3/22 17:12


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I'm not a brookie nut. I'll fish for just about anything I can catch. Heck, I'll target chubbs in a pinch if I'm having a bad day. (Are they native?) But I think brookies are really cool fish and I would love to see them in better shape as far as populations, ranges, and size. If Big Spring would have been made into an exclusively (big) brookie stream that would have been a great novelty and a big draw. Brookie fishing is just another variety of great trout possibilities in the great state of PA. Tim, I'm not sure why the "brookie-hugger" bashing. I don't believe anyone here has been saying we want brookies above all else, except maybe Chaz from time to time.

Posted on: 2007/3/22 19:03
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