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Re: Is there an Update on SC?
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...its a fly ball to left field....he's under it will Jack make the catch. No he dropped the ball. A can of corn too.

you gotta keep your eye on the ball Jack. When YWC went to Class B for the second year, the proposal was to take it off the class A list which would take it out of the Sel Har reg. The sportsmans club railed hard for it and met opposition. Adding another "deal" only muddies the water and lets face it, the F&BC when faced with these quandries rarely if ever follows ones side of the public front.

Troutbert, sorry for derailing the SC issue.

Send your comments to the legislators and governor regarding your opinion on the transfer of the Rockview land. Include conservation minded interest whatever your point of view is on the favored custodian.

Posted on: 2007/8/30 19:59
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Re: Is there an Update on SC?

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The proposed owners and acreages of land are:

· Benner Township - 400 acres

· Penn State – 1124 acres

· Rockview State Correctional Institute – 18 acres

· PA Fish and Boat Commission-Benner Springs Hatchery – 59 acres

· PA Department of General Services (DGS) – 235 acres

That's 1,836 acres which is less that 3 square miles - I think.

Posted on: 2007/8/30 21:23


Re: Is there an Update on SC?

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JackM wrote:
You should know that I can stand and defend my positions when they are attacked and criticized usually for as long as people attack and criticize them, so "move on" advice should be directed at both/all participants or none at all.


Well, you have to admit that is pretty easy when your position is a moving target, or cloudy at best.

Don't get me wrong, As usual, I think your advice is very good advice once it is sifted from the chaff.

Posted on: 2007/8/31 7:17
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Re: Is there an Update on SC?
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JackM wrote:
You should know that I can stand and defend my positions when they are attacked and criticized usually for as long as people attack and criticize them, so "move on" advice should be directed at both/all participants or none at all.


Well, you have to admit that is pretty easy when your position is a moving target, or cloudy at best....


The only thing that has changed about my position on this issue is your perception of my position and the only two things that are cloudy are your recollection of my consistent position or comprehension of it. Here help yourself:

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newb ... ype=&topic_id=592&forum=2

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newb ... =ASC&type=&mode=0&start=0

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newb ... ype=&topic_id=592&forum=2

http://www.paflyfish.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=15647


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Posted by Jack M. on 7/25/2007

I will be sending these letters tonight:

Dear [Governor Rendell][Representative Harhai][Senator Stout]:

....If there is any chance that the allowable development by the University will negatively impact Spring Creek or that the transfer will make it possible for the lands to be further transferred without restrictions on such development, I urge you to oppose that option.
....Please use your influence to assure that Spring Creek is protected in the process of this property transfer either by supporting transfer to the Game Commission, or requiring enforceable restrictive covenants that would prevent development that might threaten the health of Spring Creek.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.

Posted on: 2007/8/31 9:17
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Re: Is there an Update on SC?

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Maybe so Jack, but let me point out just one incidence where you clouded up your so called “consistent position”. There are more. This is from one message. The one I called a load.

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1. Some are primarily motivated by the belief that PSU will eventually either sell the land, over-develop it, or carry on activities that carry a risk of catastrophe;

Those in the first group would withdraw their opposition if they can be satisfied that the things they fear-- conveyance to irresponsible land owners, over-development, or catastrophe-- will not occur.


That is consistent with what? Most of us support PGC over the PSU choice for concerns stated in your number 1 or at least for similar reasons. You yourself seem to support PGC over the original proposal. So, why on Gods green earth would you want anyone to withdraw their opposition knowing that if everyone did that, the original proposal would surely go through. Unless of course, you are really in favor of the original proposal over the PGC if safeguards are in place. Safeguards with more risk involved I might add. Like I said, cloudy at best.

This wasn’t the only instance, either. Sounds to me like your “consistent position” could use a little Viagra.

I can see it now.

My new letter to the people involved as written per Jack’s recommendations:

Great idea guys, that is a heck of a good idea to divvy that property up to all those groups. I understand this is basically a done deal. But here is another idea. Sell it to the Game Commission. It’s not necessarily a better idea, just another one. I know that a couple times before they had offered to buy it, but would you please look at it again. It might be as good of an idea. I know the environment will get some degree of protection with either choice. It might be a little better protected under the PGC, but not enough to be concerned about where I would chose one over the other. Keep up the good work.

Oh yea, that would help.

What is the point?

Of course like i said, you could be right. It could be I was just reading you wrong, but if more than one of us don’t think so, then maybe it actually was in the presentation.

Posted on: 2007/8/31 10:41
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Re: Is there an Update on SC?
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Not in the presentation at all, but in the bias and self-interest motivated myopia of most readers.

Posted on: 2007/8/31 10:49
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