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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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I am thinking that it is the same landowner that is giving the OK to fish. You may want to ASK them PERMISSION if you are purchasing a gift for their children or for them. You may want to explain that your gift is in exchange for their gift (allowing you to fish there) that they are providing you. If they refuse - do not push the issue. Pushing any issue may be treated as disrespect to them, and they may ask you not to come again.

Do not talk religion with them, until you are on a first name basis. And even then with great caution.

I don't know if tying flies is a good idea, unless you know that they flyfish. I would go with the gift card for a store that is in their area of traveling. Pick up something at the local store (home made pie, some candies, Jams or jellies) Cabalas may be a bit to far.


People who don't want to move into the modern day technology should not be pushed into it. They would probably be thankful if you did give them a few hours of your time.

Remember, always ask permission. If you buy a gift for them, they may feel that they need to give you something. a gift exchange may put to great of a burden on their family - so be very careful.




Posted on: 2013/8/6 9:05
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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Telling someone not to walk up to someones door and introduce yourself is like saying never speak to anyone at a restaurant, bus, store, fishing, hunting, ever. This is how the human social system works. A lot of the responses on this thread seemed to be based that these folks (the Amish and Mennonites) are from some kind of distant planet. I've lived and worked around these folks for most of my life. I guess maybe I look at it from a vastly different point of view because I have had them work for me with me and for them in their homes, and churches. Talk about a stigma of peoples. You certainly don't need to wear kid gloves around these people and tip toe around with words while talking to them. Drive slow in the lane cuz there's usually going to be little kids and dogs and who knows what else that runs out to meet you. These are incredibly friendly people for the most part. More than likely your going to talk to a daughter or wife at first. Ask if the man of the house is about. She'll probably tell you he's out in the field and point. Go talk to the man, introduce yourself. Ask about property use. There is no magical secret to this your talking to a land owner. It's just that simple. I've done it a few hundred times for hunting, fishing, camping. Yep, ask um if they would like some fish ready to cook every now and then, a dozen deer steaks go a long way. I've bailed hay come that season just so I could hunt ground hogs, deer and pheasant. These are just men and women. Be respectful. That is probably the most important thing. Is there that much difference between city folk and country folk that we don't know how to talk with one another? Don't turn it in to a science project. Drive in the lane and ask.... It's just that simple. the worst their gonna say in no. This has got to be one of the most redundant threads I've ever seen. Their just people.

Posted on: 2013/8/7 11:41
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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NickR wrote:
Troutbert,

Are you really going to make me quote myself?

"I have been fishing on some Menonite farms as of late and while the properties I am fishing are FREE OF POSTED SIGNS AND EVERYONE I ASK TELLS ME THEY DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME FISHING THEIR PROPERTY I still get the feeling that I am not really welcome."


Nick, that is what you said, but it has multiple meanings, and the first one I came to was the same as Troutbert. It reads like you initially asked other anglers, and not the actually landowner. You only asked the owner while you were already fishing. As a land owner, I would find that to be rude.

Whatever.

Not really welcome is likely accurate. Don't expect the guy to be happy that you are there. He is likely just tolerating your presence.

I believe in PA, if not posted, it is assumed permission, so technically you were OK. Not the case n Ohio.

Amish and Menonite tend to be peaceful and quiet to people outside of their own community or business. I on the other hand I am neither Amish nor Mennonite so I am not always that way. Depending on how the confrontation went, if I caught someone hunting or fishing on my property without permission, there could be a size 13 planted in someones crack. figuratively of course. But usually it doesn't go that way, but it could.

Just sayin.

Always better to ask.

Then again, if I don't know you, or you are not local (as in live walking distance away) the answer is gonna be no. I'd be nice about it though. I only have ponds, and the crick just has a few minnows and crayfish. If I had a navigable trout stream passing through the property, the answer would likely be different.

As far as their actions, it was kids being kids, and the Amish guy just being curious.

What to give the land owner? It is a nice gesture, but what do you give someone who has and wants nothing. I haven't read through all of the responses, but I saw a couple good ones.

If they sell something, buy something and most of them sell something or have a side business at least.

If not, get them a gift card from a local store or a gas card if they drive. Even the most conservative Anabaptist buy groceries, sporting goods and some clothing.


Posted on: 2013/8/7 12:28
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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PennypackFlyer wrote:
I am thinking that it is the same landowner that is giving the OK to fish. You may want to ASK them PERMISSION if you are purchasing a gift for their children or for them. You may want to explain that your gift is in exchange for their gift (allowing you to fish there) that they are providing you. If they refuse - do not push the issue. Pushing any issue may be treated as disrespect to them, and they may ask you not to come again.



Although my thoughts are more along the line of what Fiveweight said, this reminds me of an experience.

An Amish Widow used to live up the road about a mile with 6 or 8 kids. Her husband was killed by a drunk driver. That is not the story though.

The story is as follows, and I know I told it before. For those that object. shut your pie hole.

I was getting rid of about 2 dozen chickens. I was replacing them and I didn't have feel like slaughtering them. I offered them to the Amish widow. She just happened to be butchering and canning chickens later that week with a couple other Amish women so she was extremely pleased. Timing was perfect. After delivering them, she asked me if I wanted a few canned chickens in return. I didn't. She said she had to give me something and then asked... "Do you like pie?"

Understand that I'm about 6'6" and weighed abut 350 at the time. I held my arms out and said, "what do you think?"

Anyway, this is not some unwritten Amish or Mennonite code that they have to do something in return. It's called being neighborly.

The pies were quite good.

I think she liked me.

Posted on: 2013/8/7 12:56
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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FarmerDave:
You put in the post that "She said she had to give me somthing", which fall along the line of what I was saying. When I was in the Service we had a saying, "When in doubt, salute" . Yes I made lots of mistakes saluting the wrong ranks before I got it right. Thanks for your two posts above.

Posted on: 2013/8/7 14:02
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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Holy overkill. Yeah, Nick I kind of think you're being a bit paranoid. The kids were just being kids, they fished for a while probably got bored and then decided it'd be more fun to play in the boat and splash around on the stream. I mean it's summer and they're kids after all. It's what they do. The older fellow was probably just curious.

As for the buying a gift, it's the thought that counts. It doesn't have to be elaborate and even a fruit basket might be appreciated regardless of whether they have their own fruit trees or whatever. In my pheasant club we typically give every landowner whose property we hunt a turkey or ham for the holidays and a bottle of wine. It's given as a token of appreciation for getting to hunt the property so there's no exchange of gifts expected. Think about it for a bit and I'm sure you'll come up with a good gift to give the Mennonite landowners if you want.

I'm with Fiveweight, these folks are not from some other planet. They're good hardworking people, usually quite friendly if you take the time to say hello. I certainly see plenty of Mennonite families visiting Cabelas almost anytime I've gone there so a gift card would likely be a good idea. If they have a stand, maybe just patronize it (every time I fish the Narrows of Fishing Creek, if it's not a Sunday I stop at a local Amish stand and buy jams, whoopie pies, vegetables, or flowers or whatever.)

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So pulling into the driveway in a white van and offering candy to the kids is a no-go? Lol.

Some great suggestions folks, thanks!

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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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FarmerDave:
You put in the post that "She said she had to give me somthing", which fall along the line of what I was saying. When I was in the Service we had a saying, "When in doubt, salute" . Yes I made lots of mistakes saluting the wrong ranks before I got it right. Thanks for your two posts above.


Yes, I did say that, but "have to" is just an expression or at least that is the way I took it. There is no rule in their religion or otherwise that requires them to do it.

Well, just the golden rule.

She just wanted to do something nice in return. You know, be neighborly. Either that or she likes very large German men. We are about the same age.

Posted on: 2013/8/7 15:07
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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I got it!

Buy him a hoe.

Posted on: 2013/8/7 15:09
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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FarmerDave:
Is it the farming type of hoe or Clinton's version?

Posted on: 2013/8/7 15:56
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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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"Not really welcome is likely accurate. Don't expect the guy to be happy that you are there. He is likely just tolerating your presence."

FarmerDave is correct.

go find a property with better vibe's, everybody happy.


Posted on: 2013/10/19 3:17


Re: Gifts For Landowners

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One thing is certain, if you are fishing a tossing them back they would think that is strange.
If you want to be in their good graces, keep a couple of fish and take the fish to them, that is your gift to them and they will appreciate it.

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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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clean them at the stream first though huh,

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Re: Gifts For Landowners

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If he was a young man 16-25ish he probably has his own side business going on at the farm. It could be that he's growing sweet corn, pumpkins, mums, fruit etc... I deal with young Menonites a lot in my business and this is what they do. The parents give them a side business, seperate from the farm, to operate so that they can learn how to run a business. Find out what he does, and have cash ready!!!

Posted on: 2013/10/19 16:14


Re: Gifts For Landowners

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you mean to tell me no Lebanon levi jokes after 3 pages of posts?

he must be pledging the young ones into the mafia.

chasing off fisherman with oars in a boat was on their list.

Posted on: 2013/10/19 22:21



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