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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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I like this idea, but I don't keep any fish anyway. Something more creative than what is currently being done needs to be looked at. They stock less fish now. The creel limits have been decreased. Like someone else mentioned, some people don't respect the limit anyway (which means more enforcement is needed). The whole system is crumbling. The only thing that hasn't been reduced is the cost. I won't complain about the cost, because I feel it is fair enough.

Its funny a lot of posters here want the state to stop stocking water with wild trout and then complain about putting trout in water where they will die by July. You can't have it both ways. Maybe the answer is to make all water with wild trout C&R only with no stocking, and then dump a bunch for the circus somewhere else.

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Its funny a lot of posters here want the state to stop stocking water with wild trout and then complain about putting trout in water where they will die by July. You can't have it both ways.


You do read posts advocating both positions, but they are coming from different people (with only a few rare exceptions).

Most people who advocate reducing stocking over wild trout understand that hatchery trout are stocked in the spring to provide spring fishing. And that not many are left by fall, and very few are left by the following spring.

The PFBC understands this too and they have explained it many times in their publications.

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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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im confused, when is the extended season

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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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Pennsylvania should do away with opening day or at least do what New York does and have opening day April 1st, no matter what day of the week it falls on. Opening day is just a circus anymore and is only done for license sales.

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One other thing. I don't like a lot of what New York does as far as taxes and politics but one thing they get right is their stocking program. They won't stock fish until water temps are right which means some streams don't get fish until after opening day. They found high fish mortality when fish were stocked in water that was too cold. I can't remember the temp cutoff but I believe it was in the low 40s.

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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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Pheind makes a good point. It really is a recent thing for the PFBC to accept the notion that their stocking attempts are temporary. Recent to me being 20 years. What hasn't changed is the waters stocked with a similar view. In other words if it warms in July, who cares. With this approach many more waters could be added to stocking list. I'm not sure of the impacts of stocking on those streams however. It's all a tradeoff. We can't change one thing without changing another and all things should be considered carefully before stocking.

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im confused, when is the extended season


Day after Labor Day until March 1.

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In other words if it warms in July, who cares. With this approach many more waters could be added to stocking list.


What stream sections do you think would be good choices for this?

This year they stocked a few trout in the Bennett Branch because an acid mine drainage treatment plant went online there. If that worked out, they probably will expand stocking there. That's big water and runs for miles.

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Pennsylvania should do away with opening day or at least do what New York does and have opening day April 1st, no matter what day of the week it falls on. Opening day is just a circus anymore and is only done for license sales.


Since the lion's share of revenue for the PFBC comes from fishing license sales, I would say that the circus will continue. Further, what you call a "circus" may be what another person calls a "tradition."

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Here is a crazy idea to generate some cash for the PFBC. Get more officers out there to write more tickets. Catch people littering, catching more than the limit, and whatever other stupid things people do. There have to be plenty of people to catch. I saw a few officers right after opening day and then its like they went on hiatus for the rest of the season.

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I agree with you PhiendWMD, however that means conflict...and people are shying away from it in fear of rapid lead poisoning (shot with a bullet). So most of the time it seams like they just close their eyes and hope the situation resolves itself.

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Hopefully I'm not speaking out of both sides of my mouth. Maybe I can clarify some of the things I've said and absorb some of the things that others have posted.

* "circus" comment. I'll bow to Tom and opening day is a tradition for some and is seen as the beginning of spring. It's a great time of year if you love the outdoors. At the same time, there are many tools slinging hooks in every direction, leaving trash, breaking laws, trespassing, etc. The PFBC should write so many tickets on that Saturday that they run out of them. There are a pretty good percentage of knuckleheads that take 2, 3 or 4 times their limit each day during the first month. I highly doubt it's because they have doctors orders for a fish only diet. They do it for bragging rights and to show how awesome they are. The bad thing is they then get their children involved and the kids think it's OK to do the same.

* "swimming pool for meat heads and stocking of marginal waters". I've always had the stance that if a stream has the ability to hold fish year round, special regulations (lower creel limits) should apply. If a stream is cold enough / clean enough to support trout all year, check for wild populations. If the fish are naturally reproducing, lower the amount of fish stocked to those waters. That then leaves more fish to toss into the put and take / marginal waters. An example would be:

"fictional spring creek #1" is mostly inhabited by wild fish. No additional stocking is required but small numbers may be stocked to enhance the 'catching' by anglers. The limit is reduced to 1 fish per day over 12". The water is open from April 1st to Oct 15th. It is completely closed to fishing from Oct 15th to April 1st to permit undisturbed spawning / hatch out.

"fictional spring creek #2" has small population of wild fish, gets a supplemental stocking trout. On this stream, creel limit is reduced to 3 fish per day.

"west branch of carp creek" which has no wild fish. The water temps exceed 80 degrees in the summer and has been on the late winter / spring stocking list for ages. This water gets the majority of stocked trout. Creel limit is reduced to 5 fish per day and the season runs from April 1st to Feb 28th. Only closed to harvest for one moth per year which is right before the opener.


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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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West Branch of Carp Creek get the youth day fish derby for first day training as well.
The PFBC is massively under funded. They can't hire anymore wardens.

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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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phiendWMD wrote:

Its funny a lot of posters here want the state to stop stocking water with wild trout and then complain about putting trout in water where they will die by July. You can't have it both ways. Maybe the answer is to make all water with wild trout C&R only with no stocking, and then dump a bunch for the circus somewhere else.


I've made my views perfectly clear on this forum. Wild trout population (regardless of biomass) = no stocking allowed.

Like I said in the other thread, you can stock warm water streams all you want in the Spring.



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Re: C&R - Extended Trout Season

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They (NY) won't stock fish until water temps are right which means some streams don't get fish until after opening day.


That is an interesting point about NY. Perhaps being just a little farther north makes a difference.

While not addressing early cold water mortality, there is another consideration for starting the season early. As follows:

PA ATW fisheries that have wild trout are the only ATWs I fish. I have long thought one of the reasons there can be a throng of anglers jerking fish out in the opening weeks, yet wild fish remain to an extent to be Class B or A, is that the water is cold and the wild fish are not that "needy" regarding nutrition at the lower temperatures, and hence don't get caught as readily. That plus we frequently have relatively unstealthy anglers about and bright sunshine when they do fish, sending the wiser wild fish to hide. Unfortunately, there are exceptions and certainly cropping happens--any wild trout on a stringer makes me cringe.

The newly stocked trout are either too stupid or hungry or both to tell the difference when the water is cold but not too cold. Fortunately (for the wild trout), they are the ones leading Pickett's charge, as it were (no offense to the bravery of those soldiers, it's just a metaphor).

Of course the water does warm up by May and the second and third stockings, if they happen at all and at lower density, take place in these "required feeding" temperatures. But the crowds are down and hopefully the more sport oriented are dominating the stream by that time.

But with the recent trend toward very warm weather in the months of March and April, this thermal angle may not be as true as previously. Whether this has had anything to do with moving up opening day in PA by region, I have no idea--I rather doubt it; but it seems like a good idea even if accidental to keep the opening early for ATWs with wild trout.

I have no data on any of this it's just a hunch.




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