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Re: Big Spring Rainbows being killed

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geebee wrote:
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FarmerDave wrote:

No idea, because I have never fished Big Spring because I never had an urge to travel that far to fish for an introduced species.


okay... so we should harvest and wipe out the steelhead and lake run browns on the Elk, Walnut, mile's, and orchard creeks and Salmon river etc. because they are all invasive and thus have no intrinsic value to anglers, right ?

or do you think that some fly anglers would quite like to travel and fish for some introduced species that are still pretty rare in the East as whole ?

nah, lets just wipe out that fishery and replace it with the 1-2lb landlocks like Lake Champlain has....


Talk about your basic staw man arguments. You can repair your self imposed wedgie now.

The steelhead fishery is a draw as are the brown trout in the lake erie tribs. Draw in tourism and tourist dollars. You show me where I suggested dismantling those.

Please answer this, and leave all the rhetoric and the basic F-you end of argument comments like you used above out of this one.

Which do you think would be a better draw (tourist dollars) at Big Spring.

1. An artificial fishery of large stream bred rainbow trout. One of only a few in the state. One of several when you consider the other introduced species.

2. The one and only large limestone spring creek NATIVE brook trout fishery in the state.

In my opinion, it is number 2 and I am not just thinking of myself.

Keep in mind I am playing devils advocate to some extent as well. It would be nice, but could it maintain itself on it's own? I don't know, but I have some doubts.

IMO it should be left alone for awhile if not indefinitely. See Tomi's post. But I can certainly understand the other side of the argument especially since Big Spring has been dicked with so much.

No offense intended to most of the stream work done already, but why not see what happens now?

Posted on: 2013/10/9 7:35
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Re: Big Spring Rainbows being killed

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FarmerDave wrote:

IMO it should be left alone for awhile if not indefinitely. See Tomi's post. But I can certainly understand the other side of the argument especially since Big Spring has been dicked with so much.

No offense intended to most of the stream work done already, but why not see what happens now?


no I agree, that was kind of my point - you don't know if big brookies and big rainbows will result.

btw, i was tongue in cheek about the steelhead as i saw you'd signed up for the November Jam.....

Posted on: 2013/10/9 7:59


Re: Big Spring Rainbows being killed

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What are you arguing for? You don't even live in PA.

Wait a second...

Never mind.

Posted on: 2013/10/9 8:28
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Re: Big Spring Rainbows being killed

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The idea of using a barrier is only worthwhile if there is a high enough barrier that rainbows can't go over it, like the dam at the lower end of the creek, and if there were a heavy fine for anyone moving fish into the "Managed" water. The barrier has to be high and straight up to block the bows, it can't be what was called a barrier before.
So shock the upper water and move all the bows down below the dam, everyone will be happy. Make the stream C & R for brookies and 1 trophy bow a day above the dam.

Posted on: 2013/10/9 11:19
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It's time to stop stocking all wild trout streams no matter what Classification they are, and time to eradicate brown trout in some of our limestone streams and re-establish brookies in them.


Re: Big Spring Rainbows being killed

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Chaz, read tomitrouts post again. He's Spot on....

Posted on: 2013/10/9 11:27
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I am of the opinion that there is NOT one single population of wild trout that exists in our great state worth intentionally degrading for the benefit of any fisherman or any amount of money no matter how small the population.



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