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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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I would say that is a stocked fish, quite possibly a holdover. I feel some holdovers can develop real nice coloration based mainly on their diet. Particularly if they are feeding on a lot of scuds and cressbugs in a limestoner.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 6:24


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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The white tips are just from abrasion.

Wild fish can have that to some extent post-spawn, which it likely is now for that fish. But the fins look more beat up than that.

My vote is stocked, possibly holdover, and kimchi sucks worse than river mud.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 8:00
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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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probably stocked. I've caught a couple in a stream near me that has almost no chance of rainbow reproduction and a couple of the fish I caught really made me look twice, parr marks and all. not all hatchery fish are beat up looking.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 8:06


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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From what I can see, it is most likely stocked....small pectoral fins, ragged trailing edge on the pelvic fins, distended anus. Note that another aid would be the shape of the dorsal fin, but that can't be seen because of the way the fish is being held. Likewise, the caudal fin.

As a suggestion for you photographers out there who are interested in fish ID, when taking a photo for ID try your best to show all of the fins in their natural shape. An example from the muskellunge world is the frequency with which muskellunge photos (hand held fish) are taken with the lower tip of the caudal fin shown out of the frame. This is a key feature that is missing from photos that could be used to determine whether or not the muskellunge is a tiger or a pure musky.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 8:15


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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Colors:holdover and fin wear from spring spawning? Couldn't see the tail for wear from spawning, still a pretty fish. GG

Posted on: 2012/4/10 8:53
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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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I'm going to vote for holdover. The best way to determine for yourself is to go back and catch a few other bows. Compare and contrast!

Posted on: 2012/4/10 13:11


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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holdover. maybe from fall stocking??

Posted on: 2012/4/10 16:07


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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Looking at this guys fins and deep colors it would be tough. When you are refering to his fins are you talking about the fact that a stockie has stubby or round.

This guy is definetly a stocky but is 3 years old. He has been out if the hatchery for 1 year, in a holding pond for 1, then in a stream for one.

Just a question. Does his "pointy head and longer jaw" make him look wild or is this a common misconception

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Posted on: 2012/4/10 16:16
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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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i am sure that each the OP and these pictures do not justice to the fish itself

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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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Doesn't make it look wild. Makes it look older. Which it is.

Head/jaw size in comparison to body size is a pretty good indicator of age and growth rate, not origin.

But it is true that in less fertile waters, wild fish generally grow slower than stockies, and thus have larger heads in relation to their body size. That goes out the window in more fertile waters, though.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 16:23


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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There's any question? The pallid flesh looks like its already half dead, the fins have been hit with a dremel and its got a bold red stripe...so its wild, or even a hold over?

That fish is fresh off the farm where it had a diet rich in krill-enhanced trout chow. The only thing heldover in the picture is fingers on its gut.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 18:33
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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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hey thats a pretty fish, and if there is no fins clipped or missing and the fins arent roughed up no reason it might not be wild, I have caught wild bows on Spring Creek in Centre County lots of times, an yea theres a hatchery on that stream, but to my recollection stocked it is not.And the majority of fish in Spring creek are brown trout so its always a great surprise when i catch one or see one.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 18:48


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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I also think it is a stocked fish for the same reasons - less than perfect pectoral fins and the red band is just not as vibrant as one would most often associate with a wild rainbow. Well conditioned wild rainbows often have small heads with thick bodies.

This is a wild rainbow.

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Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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Lonewolf. I too have caught wild bows in Spring. There's a stable population of em, but it's not near the hatcheries. Methinks those bows at Paradise and below Benner are mostly escapees. At least they look very different from the known wild population.

Some of em, however, escaped at a young age so are essentially fingerling stocked, leading to pretty good fins and color.

wbranch, small head and thick body isn't an indication of wildness. It's an indication of growth rate. That will be common in large lakes and rivers, limestone streams, etc. Less common in less fertile waters. There exist a number of small freestone populations of rainbows in PA, mostly the western side of the state.

Posted on: 2012/4/10 20:24


Re: Another bow of questionable origin

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1: Wild rainbow, NW PA. All the rainbows here look roughly similar. "Vibrant" colors is an indication of diet, not wildness.
3: wild rainbow from smokies.


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