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2 Questions for comment.........

2013/4/27 11:48
From WV
Posts: 16
First, is there such a thing as "deputy" fish and game wardens in Pa any more?? Seems to me I'd heard this program was discontinued some years back because a deputy was involved in the shooting of an alleged offender, and the state backed out rather than risk any further potential liability.

Next question: is it just me or do any of you other guys have trouble getting consistent hook-ups with small flies tied on "ring-eye" or flat type eyed hooks?? (seems I can't find tiny hooks anymore except ones made with ringed eyes)

I got into a nice pod of purpoising (sp?) risers this afternoon that were working a light hatch of pale, #24 BWOs. All I had were #24s tied on flat ring eyed hooks and missed most of the many rises I got. I hate those damn things!!

Posted on: 2013/10/15 20:14

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2013/8/6 21:44
Posts: 1367
The Game Commission still has deputy WCO's.

Posted on: 2013/10/15 20:40
"I think I fish, in part, because it's an anti-social, bohemian business that, when gone about properly, puts you forever outside the mainstream culture without actually landing you in an institution." John Gierach

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2006/11/2 8:50
Posts: 7000
The PFBC has info on deputy WCOs on their website.

Posted on: 2013/10/15 20:41

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2009/4/1 21:52
From Johnstown, PA
Posts: 4448
Don't know about the deputies. But try bending a ring eye up or down or??? in your vise.

Posted on: 2013/10/16 7:59

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2011/5/18 9:57
Posts: 33
I ran into the same thing recently,---trout porpoising during a Beatis hatch.

The fish I was over were not taking duns,--they were porpoising for nymphs just below the surface,--the easier of the food to take rather than chasing the dun.

Once I started to use nymphs with my tippet greased to within 4 inches of the fly, then I started to take fish.

Just my experience.

Posted on: 2013/10/16 8:05

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2006/9/21 0:02
From Pittsburgh
Posts: 4532
The idea with a ring eye hook, is to give just a little more bite - or hook gap - than what you have with down eye hooks. Good idea for really small hooks.
i've used them, and had no problems. The Orvis big-eye hooks have ring eyes, and have worked very well for me.
Have also used the Tiemco #518 hooks - down to #32 - and been able to catch fish fish on them.

If you really want to get a small hook with a down eye though, look for the Partridge Vince Marinaro midge hooks. I haven't bought any of them for awhile now - they were getting quite pricey - but they're a really nice hook, with a large gap.

Posted on: 2013/10/16 11:29

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2006/9/13 10:18
From LV
Posts: 8920
I use straight hooks for sizes under 18, as for bending you may also give the hooks a bend to the side.

Posted on: 2013/10/16 12:30
The object of a resource is to use and reuse a resource, not to use it up, have we learned nothing in over 125 years of stocking?

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2006/9/17 9:47
From WNY
Posts: 281
I've never had a problem with hooking fish with that type of hook.
One problem I've encountered with trout feeding on small mayflies is that the stiff fibbets I was using were too long for my flush floating patterns. As the hatch progresses, the trout barely open their mouths to take in the fly. The tails on my pattern were seeming to act as a sort of bite guard and the trout were pushing the fly away with their noses as they tried to inhale it.
You will miss a fair amount of fish using tiny patterns. My best solid hook-up ratio is using a cdc winged biot dun with no tail for the tiny 24-26 olives. I get my share of takes with that fly even when the fish are on the emerger. Without the tail, the biot body tend to break below the film. Also, dusted sparse soft hackle fished as a dry works tremendously well but is very hard to see.
I tie these flies on Daiichi 1110 big eye hooks.

Posted on: 2013/10/16 14:26

Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2007/3/9 14:18
From Enola, PA
Posts: 440
I'm with PaulK on this one, probably feeding subsurface and not actually taking your fly.

Posted on: 2013/10/16 15:04


Re: 2 Questions for comment.........

2013/4/27 11:48
From WV
Posts: 16
Thanx for the input guys. I'll look into those Tiemco and Partridge hooks.............................

Posted on: 2013/10/18 18:49

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