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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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Most of the Hex hatch in Western Pa waters is on warm water fisheries. The major river systems seem to be pumping out the big bugs more and more in the last few years. Maybe they'll stretch to some trout streams, but I haven't really seen any yet.

The biggest bugs we get over here on a trout stream are the brown drakes. They come around the 3rd week of May and last about a week max. The stream in this area that gets them the most is the Neshannock. I don't have any great pictures or I'd post one. They're about 5/8" big.

Posted on: 2012/1/30 11:10
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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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Most of the Hex hatch in Western Pa waters is on warm water fisheries. The major river systems seem to be pumping out the big bugs more and more in the last few years. Maybe they'll stretch to some trout streams, but I haven't really seen any yet.


That's just not true. I've hit very fishable hex hatches on wild trout streams in western PA.

They aren't quite as impressive in numbers as they are on the larger, warmer, more fertile waters. But no hatch is. There's plenty enough to get the fish looking up.

Posted on: 2012/1/30 11:59


Re: Eastern Green Drake

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I've seen some hexes, but none fishable in the streams I typically fish. Was looking at a few streams you wrote me about today and am thinking of ditching work to go to one, then I map quested it and it's 2.5 hours.... not so close to home! So it may just be MY general area that I'm seeing them more on the larger rivers and very sporadic on some smaller streams.

Posted on: 2012/1/30 17:06
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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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Yeah, but in your general area, to be fair, there are very few wild trout streams to begin with.

One problem with hex's is that, like Drakes, the hatch period is so short. If you're not really trying to time it up, the chances of stumbling on a hatch aren't real good. And even if you are trying to time it, your chances are still only fair without some historical notes from which to base your efforts.

Imagine trying to hit Drakes without historical knowledge of dates for that particular stream, fly shop updates, or word of mouth.

Seriously, think about it. Drakes and hex's may only last 2-3 days in a given location. With Drakes, we know it's late May/early June, bout a 3 week window. We know it starts on the lower part of the stream and works upstream over time. We know which streams go first. And you constantly have someone in your ear saying "hit em at ____ last night", and a fly shop with a big banner that says "coffin flies are at _____."

So once you have a basis for that year, you can kinda predict. Ok, they're here tonight, they'll be here tomorrow, and then here the day after that, etc. And for the real hatch chaser, you can probably work out a solid week or two of chasing them throughout the state with pretty good success.

But what do you have with hex's to go off of? No fly shops mention em. Heck, in that area, there's only 1 decent fly shop that does update stuff like that, and it's on Oil Creek, which isn't known for hex's at all. There's no known history that this stream goes before this one. The wild trout streams in that area are too small to consider the going upstream factor. Each location simply has a 2 or 3 day window where it's happening. You can guestimate within a few weeks when that will happen, but hitting the right day isn't a simple matter.

Luckily, it's a good time to fish those streams even without the hex hatch. If they show up, great!!!!

Posted on: 2012/1/30 17:16

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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good points as usual Pat. There lack of "good" trout streams in this area are def a downside to hatch tracking. There's a nice wild stream here that PennKev is just dumbfounded on with the caddis. EVERY rock on the stream is covered in cases, but we just can't figure out when the hatch. Just a good example of a lack of information to help out those looking for specific hatches in a small demographic of trout streams.

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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GD's were on quite heavy the night of Halliday's perfect game on Upper Pine. What a night!

Posted on: 2012/2/5 17:26
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now chaz don't give it away totally...lol

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pcray,

I'm guessing this is a hex (pic is from my porch in pittsburgh). Can you confirm from photo?

Thanks.

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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Yeah, I'm fairly sure. Can't count tails from the pic, could be a yellow drake. But it strikes me more as hex and by location, it also makes more sense.

Put it up in the hex thread.

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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ryguyfi wrote:
good points as usual Pat. There lack of "good" trout streams in this area are def a downside to hatch tracking. There's a nice wild stream here that PennKev is just dumbfounded on with the caddis. EVERY rock on the stream is covered in cases, but we just can't figure out when the hatch. Just a good example of a lack of information to help out those looking for specific hatches in a small demographic of trout streams.


October caddis. They hatch at night in the fall.

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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Can someone give me a measurement of the Drakes from Penns. I think my extended body flies are a bit too big, and I think there's a good chance we'll see them at the JAM this year.

By my estimates, they're almost right on the money at 2cm from the pics?

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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Can someone give me a measurement of the Drakes from Penns. I think my extended body flies are a bit too big, and I think there's a good chance we'll see them at the JAM this year.

By my estimates, they're almost right on the money at 2cm from the pics?


Ryan - My records show them to be from 2 to 3 cm in body length.

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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I was speaking with Old Lefty at the JAM about my newly invented Green Drake nymph pattern and he asked why I put a white stripe down the back because they didn't have one.


http://www.troutnut.com/specimen/899

Is this mislabeled on troutnut, or are the Easterns different?

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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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You're not only in the wrong genus there, but wrong family!

http://www.troutnut.com/hatch/494/May ... era-guttulata-Green-Drake

There are no nymph pics on troutnut. You can go to the brown drake page and see a much more closely related nymph, like this guy:

http://www.troutnut.com/specimen/91

Or here's a true GD nymph:

http://www.njflyfishing.com/photopost ... 8DSC_0204_-_Guttulata.jpg


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Re: Eastern Green Drake

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I don't do the latin stuff. Just hit the "common name" link on troutnut and went to Green Drake.

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