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Re: why all the hate?

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OK! You have me miffed BigJohn. Some of us that upland bird hunt that stop for tea are not to be triffled with!!

I hunt and train bird dogs. I also bought my kid, yes kid a new pair of Orvis waders. PG3's. It depends on how much you fish and what you need in gear. This kid lives it. I will probably die in my mildew spotted Guide Series from Gander. His Hodgemans after 2 years are shot. Yes some people have a ton of extra cash laying around and buy every new thing out there and it gets me too when I empty my checkbook. If you have a good store that supports its product and you need something in a size no one else sells ..... and it's recommended from guides that you know you buy them. They are awesome waders. They seem heavy but are lighter than the ones he has now and are so much more sturdy and seem tons more durable. I checked out every inch. Yes they breathe. We support what works. If they leak you'll be the first person I'll contact while I'm eating crow.

Posted on: 2008/4/3 22:22


Re: why all the hate?

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Dear wetnet,

Orvis has the best waders for the money in the business, it's not even a contest. Trust me, I've worn just about every brand of wader made and I'll always buy Orvis. One thing that you've discovered with your son is that they offer many sizes and unlike some other brand from Montana their sizing is true and accurate, 2XL is 2XL with Orvis.

I don't have much of their other gear except for a one weight and a CFOI and a chest pack. The chest pack cost less than half what a comparable capacity pack costs from one of those "cool, hip" Western companies and it's nicer too. The zipper pulls aren't tie-died but I can live with that.

Orvis has this stigma of yuppifying fly fishing but I can tell you I see plenty of stone cold dorks in pressed shirts and Indiana Jones fedoras wearing Simms or Patagucci and hopelessly flailing away with a $ 700.00 dollar green rod and matching $ 500.00 large arbor disc drag 2 weight reel.

Regards,
Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2008/4/3 23:25


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Murph in Orvis-- and they say you can't paint a turd!

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Re: why all the hate?

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Murph in Orvis-- and they say you can't paint a turd!


You still can’t Jack. Tim finally got new glasses last month and I suspect he’s never seen himself in those waders until the next time he hits the water. This too will change. Hell, I’ve never said anything to him about it because he brings the beer.

Rolf

Posted on: 2008/4/4 7:05


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I agree with BigJohn's assessment of who buys Orvis. Where I may differ is that I'm not ashamed to be a stone cold dork yuppie. I've worked hard for that wine rack in the back of my truck. Cheers.

Posted on: 2008/4/4 16:29


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I agree that a redneck in Orvis looks like a fish out of water. I'm just no scaredy cat redneck. Our Orvis store is conveniently located next to a Starbucks which makes it worse. I won't pay $4 for a cup of bitter coffee but if I need a pair of waders come in a size large, 36" inseam, with a 13 foot .... and.... they are recommended by a guide that could own anything, then I'm going to proudly park right by the front door with my deer skull stickers and buy a pair of waders.

No they don't have diversity in their products if it's in the store it has a Orvis stamp on it. I like shopping store that have variety too.

Not everyone needs to shop Orvis for good equipment but if it suits your needs and the store stands by the product, buy it. I wear a reasonably priced pair of waders that have mildew stains in them. I forgot them in my sons car in August and he took off for the weekend. They don't stink anymore so I'll probably wear them until they rot off.

I have a friend that just bought a new Helios. I fish an old Fenwick. I don't care where he bought it or how much it cost him, the joy and excitement in his voice made me just as eager to fish with him.

I guess just do what makes you happy.

I wine rack in the truck sounds like a happy thought!

Posted on: 2008/4/4 19:19


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Dear Rolf,

Nice dude, and to think I was going to bring beer on Sunday. I still will, but you ain't gettin' any!

Jack I like my Orvis waders. They are about 1 full size larger in a 2XL than the Simms 2XL kings that I have and I like them much better. The difference in comfort is night and day compared to the Simms, the Orvis waders actually breath. I should have bought Orvis bootfoot waders but I fell for the Simms hype. That won't happen again.

Besides, nothing says yuppie dork better than spending $ 700.00 for a pair of rubber pants that you don't even need from mid-May to October.

Regards,
Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2008/4/4 19:34


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I have only ever worn Orvis waders, except my neoprenes. My new waders are the Clearwater as I have resigned myself that waders are going to be a disposable item for me no matter what I spend and my first pair were Clearwaters and they were the most comfortable pair I've ever owned.

I also like their tippet-- no more expensive really than any other brand-- and I covet the flybox we got Gino in Tennessee-- it's the one made of lightweight material with little magnets on the corner. I'd spring for one of my own, but I'm waiting for them to make it with nubbytack rather than foam. Oh, and I once bought a Orvis brand March Brown dun from Slate Run Tackle for $2.10, but I've been afraid to use it at that price, so I just dropped it in my safe-deposit box with all my other precious valuables.

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I have only ever worn Orvis waders, except my neoprenes. My new waders are the Clearwater as I have resigned myself that waders are going to be a disposable item for me no matter what I spend and my first pair were Clearwaters and they were the most comfortable pair I've ever owned.


Dear Jack,

Talk about polishing a turd? I've fished with you a couple of times and never even noticed you were wearing waders. That Orvis stuff sure works magic!

I paid too much for my original Orvis Clearwaters. I suppose it's unfair to say that I paid too much because I paid what was at the time the going price for them. Shortly after I bought them Orvis lowered the price but even at $ 189.95 they were a bargain to me.

You aren't kidding about how comfortable they were, and I got 9 years out of my pair, and I didn't baby them.

Take that Simms!

Regards,
Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2008/4/4 22:33


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I buy the best gear I can to suit my needs, period. I'm looking for quality, guarantee, fit, feel, etc without going over the top. Why not buy on sale when you can? You get what you pay for to some extent, much of fly fishing gear in general is over priced no matter what the name. Obviously some is vastly underrated as well. We all have different experiences from products/manufactures hence why/how we forumlate our opinions.

Personally the last thing I care about when I'm on the stream is judging somebody else by what kind of gear they have. I'm there to fish not to be a judge in a gear pageant. Buy what works for you and is within your budget.

Posted on: 2008/4/18 22:44


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Just a note on Orvis stores. As everyone knows the PG3's are on back order and even though the rep told our store A&A Outfitters in NE Pa. that they would be in on time for a tryout my son had, they aren't going to make it in time. My sons present waders of course decided to leak in the inner seams a couple of days ago. The store has offered to let him take a new pair of Tail waters to wear and turn them in when his PG3's come in. It's not like they can put them back in the box and sell them again. Another person from the same store lent him his Oakley sun glasses last tryout.

The new PG3's changed the seam pattern so that those inter-seam leaks won't happen and the Tail waters will be redesigned as well. for next year. They are a much better buy than Simms and like I said before if you're a hard to fit size they offer more options. These are some nice guys. The owner offered to lend my son his if they fit as well.

If the store treats you right and the product suits you shop there.

Posted on: 2008/4/24 19:36


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Wetnet,
That is a VERY interesting tidbit about the inner seams leaking. I purchased online, a pair of PG2's in November. I used them less than a dozen times and my right inner knee was wet the last time I fished. When I looked at the wader legs, the material is litterally breaking down there. The edge of the seam tape is creating a crease in the outter layer and walking wears the edge like a folded piece of paper. I did an on-line chat with a CSR at Orvis and they offered to repair them (3-4 weeks). I was furious.....So I called and got the same shpeal. Send them back.....but it is late April with May around the corner and I have no waders. Well I got the leaky ones I bought the new ones to replace. They did offer to record the complaint and I could fix them and send them back when the season slows...

I am EXTREMELY disappointed with the Orvis Service and 100% satisfaction Guarantee. I am sorry I ever bought them. ANd to think I almost went with LL Bean but the Orvis was a better deal.

Selling products with a notable defect and then not standing behind them is Outrageous.

....but I'm not bitter!

I sent them to the repair address and am hoping for the best. This could very well be the last Orvis product I ever buy.

Maurice

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Mo,

Now you have a set - you can wear you're Orvis waders with you Weinbrenner boots and watch them self-destruct as you wade through the stream.

Mo, I would "insist" that I receive a new pair. I got a new pair after 3 years of use, but I worked it through the Orvis factory store in near where I live (Downingtown). Good luck.

Posted on: 2008/4/25 6:50


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Maurice

My sons waders that are leaking are Hodgemans, not Orvis. Mine are leaking too now and they are Guide Series. The seam problem is with lots of waders that's why the companies are changing the design. Simm's has changed their design too.

I would be miffed if I had to wait that long for a pair of waders to be fixed during the season.

My son had a problem with his Korkers but at least they offered to replace them. Since he couldn't be without a pair during the shipment period I put the replacement pair on my credit card which they credited as soon as we returned the broken pair.

I don't like to shop online for the very reason you stated. Yes they stand by the product but if you have to jump through hoops for something that is defective, it's like not having a warranty at all. That's why I like the store. They have to look at you very sad face in person. Good luck with your waders.

Posted on: 2008/4/25 7:52


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Well, my hate turned to love. I got a brand new pair of PG3's today. An upgrade from the PG2's which are side seam models. The PG3's have the knee seam in the rear.

I retract my earlier disdain for Orvis.

Not three weeks but two day when I told them I had a trip coming up.

Satisfied.

Posted on: 2008/5/6 21:16
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