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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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I cut my 2wt DT line to fit my reel.
As far as cutting the tip of lines. I alway found that cutting a few inches from the old 444 lines helped the turnover in short casting in tight quarters and flinging large dries.
I've fished the Trout LT. In the lighter line weights, I ended up cutting off the welded loop as it kills any presentation value that the long front taper gives. Matching the line tip to a knotless leader took me to the Umpqua leaders as they seem a bit more supple and finer in the butt section than other brands. There still, I ended up cutting off the level tip of the fly line and slightly into the taper to match the butt of the leader.
I very much liked the old Rio Selective Trout (without the welded loop).

DJ, You are right in that removing a bit of the tip will give you a slightly punchier line. But, you probably would have been better off getting a line such as Rio Grand as that's pretty much what you are building. Supple with a blunt tip.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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If you do cut a few feet off the front, the biggest thing to watch out for is waterlogging it. You're going to open up the core. The part that repels water is the outside. So that core would soak up water and your leader to line transition will degrade and sink.

Cover that open end with Loon Knot Sense or something to keep the water out.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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Cutting a "few inches" removes the level tip.

Cutting two feet simply removes the front level tip, plus a portion of the front taper. If you had a line with a typical 6' front taper, that would mean something.

-but-

In the case of this line, it removes 6" of level and 18" of front taper. This particular design features an 18.5' front taper, thus 18" doesn't mean anything.

Can I suggest picking a line that better fits your profile if you feel the need to hurl jigs on a 3wt?

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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DJ, You are right in that removing a bit of the tip will give you a slightly punchier line. But, you probably would have been better off getting a line such as Rio Grand as that's pretty much what you are building. Supple with a blunt tip.


amybe a gold, but a grand?!!?!?!? i dont think my m-series will handle that much weight.

pretty much my thought are to sort of get two line styles out of one, though i'm not all that sure this will work as planned but maybe taking the level tip section and doubling it over on it's self and welding that together maybe a better "punchier" option. the line is light as is and making it even lighter doesnt seem to be what i am wanting to do with this. more thoughts stirring, just brain storming for now...

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If you do cut a few feet off the front, the biggest thing to watch out for is waterlogging it. You're going to open up the core. The part that repels water is the outside. So that core would soak up water and your leader to line transition will degrade and sink. Cover that open end with Loon Knot Sense or something to keep the water out.


great point ray, that would have been an after though of damn to late...

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Can I suggest picking a line that better fits your profile if you feel the need to hurl jigs on a 3wt?


this is the base line that i wanna play with, but there's a second option with this line and i am just brainstorming on getting another use out of the other side.

Posted on: 2013/5/23 9:38


Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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I think you guys are confused. This guy has this line in hand and he is planning on doing things to it which no one agrees with. He did not ask if he should or should not butcher a line, rather he TOLD you what he was going to do with it and asked if there was any downside. He is GOING to do it because it's his and he wants to. The only thing he asked is if there was a down side to doing this nonsense.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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Ya know, if I were reallg aanting to do something crazy, I could mount the "other side" taper backwards and that would make one heck of a shooting head if ever lol. 3wt outbound short!


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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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DJ,
You are right. I meant to say Rio Gold.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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I cut and splice lines all the time, some of you have been here and seen what they can do. go ahead and cut. to each his own. cutting 2 foot off will turn over heavier flys too. acts more like a weight forward type then.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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I cut and splice lines all the time, some of you have been here and seen what they can do. go ahead and cut. to each his own. cutting 2 foot off will turn over heavier flys too. acts more like a weight forward type then.


sandfly- can i ask you this, like i stated before, this is a light line to begin with, what is your take on flipping say the first length of non tapered line and doubling it over on it's self? given i don't want to make the o.d. of the tip larger than the first bit if the taper, possibly even "splitting the line and moving half of what i am "trimming" up past my "double over spot" just to keep the taper some what uniform?

thanks DJ

and Dano, if you're feeling up to it sat morn, is my planned "cut" time, if you'd care to join and or try it out/ possibly go fish some where, finally bought the PA license!!!

Posted on: 2013/5/23 13:05


Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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I think it's funny for years people have bin modifying or "customizing" gear. Rods, reels hell & everything else. If ya go an idea & ya wanna cut up a new line to try it cool. Jeez I don't understand what the problem is. Spey guy in PAC northwest were butchering lines for years. That's how the got 3 line weight designation. Like say 7/8/9 rod.

Hey DJ tell Todd B. and Travis good luck with the shop.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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Spey guy in PAC northwest were butchering lines for years. That's how the got 3 line weight designation. Like say 7/8/9 rod.


bingo. though the taper on this line is pretty much exactly that though it would be a 2/3/4 lol. that's why i chose this line, it's a three sixe taper pretty much exactly matching a "scandi" style shooting head, of which is meant for a softer presentation. and at first i was trying just to get a wf line but that was not an option from where i am getting it from. so since i have the ability of two heads out of this line, i'm gonna play and learn be it victorious or defeat, i personally learn the best through trial and error.

and cory i will pass that along to them, though i'm let down trav was telling me you were gonna tie us some sz 26 parachutes tonight?!?!!? what happened? i was really looking forward to that!!!!!!!!

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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Yeah all I don't do parachutes. I like the wulf style drys! Ha. Maybe next time. Ha!

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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If you want to do it, do it. It might work really well for you. Of course it may not and you just ruined a $80 fly line. How do you think all these tapers and heads came about before computers and high tech machines. Trial and error. You may end up with a line that works just how you want it to and one that nobody offers commercially.

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Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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so my plans were changed again, i was getting the line on trade for some work i'm doing. come to find out, i received both the dt and the wf. so i lined that wf line on my mystic m-series 3wt, and all i can say is HOLY SH*T!!!! that line seems like it was built for that rod. it does not feel like any other line i have ever casted, super tight loops over head, roll casts pretty well, snap t very well and single spey or touch and go is it's ultimate suite! it is not very often where i'll need to cast 70'+ but the line has no problem getting there with a single touch and go cast.

so after absolutely loving the wf on this rod, the dt is getting put away until i build a bamboo rod for it. sorry guys was really wanting to see what i could do wit cutting that line up, but it makes me ponder what that line would be like on a grass rod.

Posted on: 2013/5/27 17:42


Re: the brain is churning again on a dual taper line.

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Photo skills paying the bills DJ?

Posted on: 2013/5/27 18:37
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