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Re: Spring assist locking knife

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And regarding the laws, statewide it is illegal to carry any knife that is "assisted opening". They define it as switch, push button, spring mechanism, or OTHER mechanism.

Sheeeezz ...... thanks for the heads up. I guess it's illegal for me to be carrying this. What's sad is that it's so conveniently easy to open, I've gotten really used to it. ^&*()}+$#

I'm glad I posted this and found out.

Posted on: 2013/4/26 15:54


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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Below is the wording of the law. There is a lot of discussion on whether balisong's and butterfly knives are legal. The consensus seems to be YES, but I've seen nothing official, nor am I a lawyer, so.... The best I can do is give you the law:

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18 Pa.C.S. § 908: Prohibited offensive weapons
(a) Offense defined.--A person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree if, except as authorized by law, he makes repairs, sells, or otherwise deals in, uses, or possesses any offensive weapon.

(b) Exceptions.--
(1) It is a defense under this section for the defendant to prove by a preponderance of evidence that he possessed or dealt with the weapon solely as a curio or in a dramatic performance, or that, with the exception of a bomb, grenade or incendiary device, he complied with the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C. § 5801 et seq.), or that he possessed it briefly in consequence of having found it or taken it from an aggressor, or under circumstances similarly negativing any intent or likelihood that the weapon would be used unlawfully.

(2) This section does not apply to police forensic firearms experts or police forensic firearms laboratories. Also exempt from this section are forensic firearms experts or forensic firearms laboratories operating in the ordinary course of business and engaged in lawful operation who notify in writing, on an annual basis, the chief or head of any police force or police department of a city, and, elsewhere, the sheriff of a county in which they are located, of the possession, type and use of offensive weapons.

(3) This section shall not apply to any person who makes, repairs, sells or otherwise deals in, uses or possesses any firearm for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.
(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:

"Firearm."
Any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.

"Offensive weapons." Any bomb, grenade, machine gun, sawed-off shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches, firearm specially made or specially adapted for concealment or silent discharge, any blackjack, sandbag, metal knuckles, dagger, knife, razor or cutting instrument, the blade of which is exposed in an automatic way by switch, push-button, spring mechanism, or otherwise, any stun gun, stun baton, taser or other electronic or electric weapon or other implement for the infliction of serious bodily injury which serves no common lawful purpose.

(d) Exemptions.--The use and possession of blackjacks by the following persons in the course of their duties are exempt from this section:
(1) Police officers, as defined by and who meet the requirements of the act of June 18, 1974 (P.L. 359, No. 120), referred to as the Municipal Police Education and Training Law. [FN1]
(2) Police officers of first class cities who have successfully completed training which is substantially equivalent to the program under the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(3) Pennsylvania State Police officers.
(4) Sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of the various counties who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(5) Police officers employed by the Commonwealth who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.
(6) Deputy sheriffs with adequate training as determined by the Pennsylvania Commission on Crime and Delinquency.
(7) Liquor Control Board agents who have satisfactorily met the requirements of the Municipal Police Education and Training Law.

Posted on: 2013/4/26 16:07


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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pcray1231 wrote:
And regarding the laws, statewide it is illegal to carry any knife that is "assisted opening". They define it as switch, push button, spring mechanism, or OTHER mechanism.


Incorrect, and alreayd answered earlier.

If the sping is actuated by a switch, it is illegal. If the spring simply helps augment your finger, its legal.

Ergo, the Ken Onion style is AOK, your finger is what actually moves the blade. A true switchblade is operated by using your finger to acuate teh switch which then propels the blade out of the handle.

If your finger does the actual work, even if its "spring assisted," it meets the letter of the law.

Please do not muddy the waters on this one.


Posted on: 2013/4/26 16:51
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Re: Spring assist locking knife

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Geebee, I've never hard of it happening, but if you read just about any aerosol can you'll notice a part that mentions its a violation of federal law to use that product in a way its not intended to be used. It would really suck to just be trying to protect yourself and end up getting charged. And the way things are going today, logic isn't law enforcements strongest point. At the very least, you could end up on the wrong side of a civil lawsuit.

Posted on: 2013/4/28 20:54


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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I would look into a can of OC pepper spray. Close quarters combat with a dog doesn't work or sound fun. OC will definately dissuade them from bothering you.

Posted on: 2013/4/28 22:00


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geebee wrote:
my wife was told on her self defense course to carry wasp spray.

spray in the face and they are temporarily blinded and need a medical eye wash. after the wash their sight returns in about 30 minutes.

the small cans have a range of about 10-12 feet.

cheaper than pepper spray.


We had a problem this week with a bear at our camp. He's a lost soul with mange on his face and body. And his eyes are a little glazed over. But he wanted into the cabin in the worst way. Sitting on the porch, hanging on the front door. Several times he hung on the door and his eyes were about 8" from mine, while I yelled at him. Weird experience. It got to the point where I had to discharge a gun into the ground to scare him off, but 30 minutes later he came back. I actually had to barricade the front door with the picnic table on the front porch.

I called the game commission and they sent an officer out to look at the property after we left. He called me and his suggestion was to spray him with wasp spray. There were 6 different bears at our cabin on Tuesday, and 3 of them had mange. I'm going to buy ammonia and pour it around the porch to discourage them. Or do the balloon trick with ammonia solution.

Posted on: 2013/4/29 0:30


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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As mentioned, from a legal standpoint you are much better off carrying a handgun (with an LTCF) than a knife. An LTCF allows you to carry in any municipality in the state. Knife laws are not required to be uniform. You do need to make yourself aware of a few restricted areas, ie Fed buildings, courthouses, school grounds, etc.

Using a knife requires being very close to whatever is attacking you. This means you're more likely to be hurt and questions can be raised as to whether or not you fulfilled your duty to retreat from a hand to hand encounter.

I believe pepper spray is widely legal in PA, though not in Philadelphia (Philadelphia Co.?). I would be leery of carrying wasp spray around with me. Many household chemicals have warnings on them stating that it violates federal law to use them for a purpose not listed on the label.

Also, FWIW, law enforcement officers are not always the best people to take legal advice from. They notoriously are under educated on firearm laws. I'm sure that goes for a lot of other aspects of law as well. I'm not faulting the officers for not knowing all of the laws, no one could be expected to do that. They should not, however, give advice without knowing the legalities. I strongly suspect that it is illegal to spray wasp killer in the eyes of a bear unless your physical well being is immediately threatened. Even then, you would likely be breaking some laws but would be unlikely to be prosecuted.

Posted on: 2013/5/2 10:27


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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What about carrying the .22 pocket gun on State Game Lands For the Crazy Kurr or Snake situation? Is that illegal?

Posted on: 2013/5/2 11:43


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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With a LTCF you can carry on SGL's.

Posted on: 2013/5/2 13:17


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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"Using a knife requires being very close to whatever is attacking you. This means you're more likely to be hurt and questions can be raised as to whether or not you fulfilled your duty to retreat from a hand to hand encounter."

Wouldn't the Castle Doctrine apply hear? I believe it was passed in PA. When I received by LTCF the officer told me about it. I would guess that it applies to knives as well.

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Re: Spring assist locking knife

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Castle Doctrine refers to your home. I think you are referring to stand your ground type laws.

Posted on: 2013/5/2 17:58


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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In a hand to hand encounter: Gun>>>>>>bat>>>>>>knife

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Re: Spring assist locking knife

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I thought the two were synonymous. I thought where ever you are is your "castle" and you dont have to retreat.

Posted on: 2013/5/2 20:14


Re: Spring assist locking knife

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Wouldn't the Castle Doctrine apply hear? I believe it was passed in PA. When I received by LTCF the officer told me about it. I would guess that it applies to knives as well.


Now that you mention it, I think there was some "stand your ground" legislation included in the castle doctrine bill. I'll have to look into that. I believe part of the bill was to expand the castle doctrine to include your vehicle.

Posted on: 2013/5/2 21:27


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