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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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So, one of the tips is for wet, the other for dry?? I don't remember a seporate designation on the tips. Uunfortunately it's at my camp so I cant check until the weekend. Sorry, I'm completely new to vintage. Thank you everyone for your knowledge.

Posted on: 2013/9/23 19:58


Re: South Bend Bamboo

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No, two tips because when you break one you'll have a spare.

Only clapped out 3xx rods are "wet fly rods" because they've been beaten into submission from 80 years of service. If yours is as fresh as you think, it'll be crisp and new and pleasurable.

I understand by modern standards, its going to be slow, but its an excellent, tip action (only the top third) rod flexes.

The wet fly series would be 1xx, which would desginate a much less steep taper, and thus would allow teh rod to load deeper into teh butt section.

I thought I'd be able to use a barely used 9' 359 as a wet fly rod, and was quite pleased when I realized it actually made a fantastic dry fly rod and a terrible wet fly rod.

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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Gfen is correct that the two tip sections should be the same taper. Not a wet and a dry. At least on that rod. There may be some cheap post WWII Japanese rods with two different tapers, but not that one. Two tips in case one breaks as gfen said, also if you will be fishing it a lot... it allows you to alternate and rest one tip while using the other. It helps to keep from getting a set in one.

I don't mean carry both with you. I mean use one one day, and the other the next while the first one is allowed to rest.

Its only a suggestion.


Posted on: 2013/9/24 7:23
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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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Rod action 101 (according to Joe E): There is no accepted terms defining rod action that can be truly agreed upon when you have more than 10 casts in the room. Some try and slow down the rod as other try and speed it up (one line weight up and one line weight down). One rod may be fast for one caster and slow for another it all depend on what you like and the fishing situation you have at hand. Rod Actions for bamboo were described as Dry fly Action, Modified dry fly, Semi-parabolic and Parabolic. Today most rod tapers are described a fast, medium or slow and has nothing to do with distance casting. I can cast a semi-parabolic taper further than a dry fly action rod. The wet tip on a bamboo rod has a few thousands of an inch added to the upper portion of the tip section and you can fish dry just as well with the wet tip as you can the dry tip. The loop may be a little tighter with the dry tip but your accuracy and distance will better with the wet tip (IMO). I like Semi-parabolic and Parabolic action (Slow) for long casts and/or big fish and the dry and modified dry fly action (Medium to fast) for casting dries. But that really means nothing to someone who fishes fast action plastic because even a fast action bamboo is slow. So if you like it fish it no matter what other say but the 323 is an awesome rod. I hope your 323 has a wet and dry tip, if it does and you will see and feel the difference in casting what a few thousands of an inch added to the tip can do and make a difference. My .02...

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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I think I will revise my last response and just agree with Joe. I'm not a big fan of South Bend bamboo rods, so my knowledge of that brand is somewhat limited.

If it is separate wet and dry tips, that would be easy enough to measure.

The reason I am not a fan of South Bend Bamboo has to do with their ferrule design. Maybe it was just bad luck, but the third time I broke one at the ferrule on the mid by just casting is when I decided I wasn't a fan. It had to be the ferrule design, because it couldn't have been me.

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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some people have all the ferules replaced on production rods before they even use them.just a thought.

if you fish tip A on day one and tip B on day two,you'll be less likely to develop a set.

Posted on: 2013/9/24 8:58


Re: South Bend Bamboo

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Thanks again for the info. Stopped by an "antique" store this morning that I recalled having some old reels and picked up a perfectly functioning 1494 Pflueger (based on previous advise on this thread). Not knowing the 1495, my liminted research indicated the 1494 to be slightly smaller than the 1495. Assuming it's matched well with 5 weight line. Next up an old wicker creel to finish off the look!!! (actually I have a half dozen hanging on my cabin wall as "art")

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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The 1494 will hold 5wt line just fine. I have mine lined w/ 6wt. I believe the real issue is balancing the rod correctly. There are ways to make them heavier though.

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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Glues have changed over time which helped rods from taking sets. But most rods over time will take on a fishing set. I’ll take out a fishing set every few years and straighten if the rod has been fished hard. But I don’t have that many problems. While I don’t mind 2 tips I normally only build 2/1 rods. Most bamboo lovers like 2/2 or the 3/2 rods and rotate tips for even wear and not because of sets now a days. 2/2 and 3/2 are nice if an accident occurs it just means you have a 2/1 or 3/1 until the tip is repaired or new one made.
Dave, If you get a lot of stress at the ferrules the rod can develop a casting fracture at the ferrule where the finish cracks and over time water can get in and if the ferrules are pinned it can even make it worse if you don’t keep varnish on the rod to keep water out and once water does the damage you can get the classic compound fracture at the ferrule. Although in your case just too much power baby.

Joe E

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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Quote:

foxfire wrote:
Not knowing the 1495, my liminted research indicated the 1494 to be slightly smaller than the 1495.


It is.

Should you need more weight (you will), there's a few options. Without spending any money, you can remove the hub cover off the front of the spool and put leadshot at batting inside, or wrap weight around the spool under the backing, either lead tape or leadcore trolling line (which takes up an inordinate amount of space).

If you're still having problems, a 1594RC spool will stick right on, giving you again about an extra ounce in palming rim.

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Re: South Bend Bamboo

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Dave, If you get a lot of stress at the ferrules the rod can develop a casting fracture at the ferrule where the finish cracks and over time water can get in and if the ferrules are pinned it can even make it worse if you don’t keep varnish on the rod to keep water out and once water does the damage you can get the classic compound fracture at the ferrule. Although in your case just too much power baby.

Joe E


It was from applying too much power and likely some contribution from where the guides were located (a theory of mine).

All breaks were flush almost like it was sawed off.

I had same problem from another rod that I rebuilt from a very cheap 9 foot blank. We discussed it before. It's the one that was originally just a post WWII Japanese that had just been milled and glued (lots of gaps). I did it just for the practice, so I used very cheap components including ferrules that were probably 5 buck a pair give or take. I mean the females were open the whole way through. Used the larger snake guides for modern line and more of them. After breaking it, I picked up a bunch of old new stock that were slightly better quality (and I do mean slightly) and replaced the ferrules and removed the guide that was closest to the broken ferrule. My theory was in addition to the cheap ferrule cutting the rod, I figured that guide location was adding more stress. Haven't had a problem since (knock on wood), and I like that rod so much that use it for steelhead. Besides, I'm not out much if it breaks. and it doesn't look bad from a distance.


Posted on: 2013/9/24 12:54
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