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Re: Simms G3 waders?

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G3's are definitely worth it. Can always send it it for a repair if a leak eventually does happen. As far as convertibles go, I own the regular G3's, when it's hot and I won't be wading deep I just roll the top down and tighten it with the wading belt.

You might be able to find a pair of 2013's on sale somewhere, as Simms just released an "improved" 2014 version.

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Re: Simms G3 waders?

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Pcray, you and I seem to be on the same page.


Purely a guess. But my gut prediction would say they go somewhere between 3 and 4 years for me, assuming I treat them like the others and wade through briars, crawl on my knees, etc.

Which would make them simultaneously the best waders I've ever owned, and also not worth their price. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised but I'll let you know in a couple of years. :)

Like you, I'm willing to pay for quality. But not overpay for quality. On a disposable product like breathable waders, quality is defined almost solely in terms of longevity. Greater than twice the price should mean greater than twice the life, not 1.5 times the life.

Posted on: 3/8 13:14


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Quality can also be the assurance of knowing the waders won't let you down, particularly on a trip far from home for multiple days. Hard to put into a dollar value but I'd rather have the peace of mind knowing simms generally last 5 yr than rolling the dice on a lesser pair with a 1 yr avg. longevity - either could go at any time but the odds are in my favor with simms. My fishing time is extremely valuable - don't get much time off work- and I'd hate to lose even a few hours cause I went cheap on waders.

And if they do give you a problem simms has a very large dealer network with good customer service and I bet they, or one of their dealers, would take care of you if you developed a leak on that big time trip out of state.

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BFazz, I bought the only pair of discontinued G3's I could find in my size. Turns out the inventory was wrong and the waders weren't available.

Pcray, once again I agree 100% with your recent post and that is how I'm viewing the purchase. By the sounds of it we fish similar terrain as well.

Kbobb, I can see your point. I don't do much out of state fishing at the moment, but who knows what the future may hold.

Posted on: 3/8 23:22
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Re: Simms G3 waders?

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It's inevitable, if you bushwhack or scramble up and down rocky gorges like many of us, they will leak quicker. I found a pair on deep discount at an LL bean out of state and bought it hoping it would hold up but no such luck. They were , on the other hand, the most comfortable waders I have owned.

Posted on: 3/9 11:40


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Pcray, you and I seem to be on the same page.


Purely a guess. But my gut prediction would say they go somewhere between 3 and 4 years for me, assuming I treat them like the others and wade through briars, crawl on my knees, etc.

Which would make them simultaneously the best waders I've ever owned, and also not worth their price. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised but I'll let you know in a couple of years. :)

Like you, I'm willing to pay for quality. But not overpay for quality. On a disposable product like breathable waders, quality is defined almost solely in terms of longevity. Greater than twice the price should mean greater than twice the life, not 1.5 times the life.


Hey Pat,

I bought a cheap pair of waders that lasted a long time. The only problem was, they felt very heavy all the time because they always seemed to wet through. I kept having to reapply the DWR but the fabric didn't absorb the DWR well I would guess.

They really weren't very breathable at all and the fabric seemed stiff. Also, the booties tended to bunch up in my wading shoes when I walked a long way and were very uncomfortable.

Finally, the way the buckles and suspenders were set up they pinched my neck and were very uncomfortable.

By the time I wore them a bit to find all this out, I was unable to return them or have them replaced.

But they were cheap and they lasted a long time (much to my dismay)! Were they a great bargain based "almost solely on longevity?"

I talk to people nearly every day that have bought just about every wader you can imagine from low-end to high-end, and there most certainly is a difference between them from their point of view. Besides getting first-hand reviews from anglers that actually wear the waders, I also I read all the charts and graphs and reviews about the different wader brands and models out there. Further, add in the value of a good warranty and the ability to repair or replace them, and there's a world of difference between waders.

I find it interesting that you value research and data and reviews for just about everything, but not for waders. With waders, there's a strict cost/longevity=value formula that doesn't take into account any value for comfort, or features or warranty.


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Re: Simms G3 waders?

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Going on 5 years with my G3s. Fish 150 times a year - sit, slide multiflora and so on.

One small wear spot and one small leak - repaired with Goop, no leaks.

Recently been using a pair of Orvis Silver Sonic convertibles. To me, they fit me much better than G3, I really like them - now a question of how long will they last.

Posted on: 3/9 13:43


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A little off topic as this doesn't include Simms products but if you decide to go the mid prices route check out backcountry.com outlet or Sierra trading post outlet. They both have redington waders available for a deeply discounted price. If you can wait steepandcheap.com usually has a flyfishing sale about once every two weeks or so. I have seen redington waders up to 50 percent off and my sonic seams are going on three abuse filled years now although they are warm in the summer.

Good luck with your choice

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Tyeager, I appreciate the tip.

Dale49, thanks for the review.

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Re: Simms G3 waders?

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Afish,

The most convenient, comfortable pair of waders I've ever owned were Hodgeman WadeLites, followed closely by Frog Toggs.

I've had Orvis Endura's and 2 pairs of Silver Labels, LL Bean Rapid Rivers, now the Simms G3's, etc. So I'm not comparing these to Red Ball or anything.

The Hodgeman's were thin and plenty breathable, and not at all stiff. I loved the built in wader belt, and the gravel guards. They only lasted a year, material just stopped being waterproof. The Frog Toggs are just, well, VERY light, and plenty breathable as well, but the booty wasn't quite as good as the Hodgeman, IMO. They too only lasted a year.

Generally, the differences in comfort are pretty small and amounts to picking nits. All breathable waders I've had are pretty comfortable and plenty breathable. But if there are differences, then comfort is INVERSELY proportional to price and longevity. The better pairs achieve longevity by having more, or thicker, protective layers, resulting in a wader that is heavier and stiffer. The G3's are no exception.

All else (price) being equal, I'd take the thicker, slightly less comfortable waders for the better longevity. And the longevity IS indeed better on better waders. But so far it seems not better enough to justify the price difference. We'll see on the G3's, it's way to early to make a call on them yet.

Posted on: 3/10 7:53


Re: Simms G3 waders?

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Afish,

The most convenient, comfortable pair of waders I've ever owned were Hodgeman WadeLites, followed closely by Frog Toggs.



I totally agree with the Hodgeman WadeLites. I loved those waders. I owned 2 pairs of them until they either changed them or discontinued them. I then upgraded to the Simms G3s. I love them but only was able to afford them after I had saved up $225 on my cabelas card along with one of those coupons for like $75 off $500 or something like that. For as often as I go fishing though and the miles and locations I fish they are well worth the money!

Posted on: 3/10 13:24


Re: Simms G3 waders?

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I bit the bullet and bought the new G3's today.

I have to give a tip of my backwards hat (another thread) to TCO. Casey steered me in the right direction on sizes, plus called Simms to check on availability and had them hold the last pair they had in said size.
Otherwise, I would've been pouring water out of my waders again on a planned trip next weekend.

I still can't believe what I just spent on waders.

Posted on: 3/13 13:32
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Re: Simms G3 waders?

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Congrats - enjoy them in good health!

you pay for them once and hopefully will use them 100 times - amortize the cost - it's only $4 each time you use them - skip the Micky D on your trips (or, heaven forbid, a beer ) and they'll pay for themselves.

I've never been able to make myself drop the cash for a kevlar canoe although as old as I am I really should - but the guy at the shop said - you pay for it once but lift it 1000 times!

Posted on: 3/13 19:37


Re: Simms G3 waders?

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Just picked up my new G3s. The new model is nice. The new tippet tender pocket is bigger and will fit a standard fly box and has zippers on both side of the pocket so it can also be accessed if the pocket is flipped inside the waders. I think this is a great upgrade, I was always annoyed that the pocket on my old pair of G3s was just a tad too small and would not fit a full size fly box. The loop side Velcro that lined the top of the tippet pockets is gone. I will miss that, I used it as a fly patch, I think this is the one thing that they should not have changed. The built in retractor is gone from the tippet tender pocket and they replaced it with a spot to attach a zinger and a sleeve that can hold a hemostat. There are also new tabs to attach zingers or pin on fly patch. The Gore-Tex is lighter, which seems like it will add comfort and mobility. The new material is supposed to be 25% more breathable and more durable than the old, but time will tell. Simms also used a tougher grade of neoprene for the built in gravel guards which should make them more durable. Those are the major changes I've noticed. The fit is the same great fit. Over all, I would say the new model is a nice improvement over the old. My only criticism is the loss of the Velcro on the tippet tender pocket, but its a change I can get used to and there are plenty of new places to attach a foam fly patch. That assessment goes way up if the new Gore-Tex pro shell fabric is really 25% more breathable and more durable than the old material, as its billed to be.

Posted on: 3/14 7:31


Re: Simms G3 waders?

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The G3's are awesome waders. Mine are 4 years old and get a ton of use.

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