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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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I have 15 rods less that 8', 6 rods less than 7' and 0 rods less than 6'.


Fifteen rods is a lot of rods at any length.

I have 0 rods under 7', but I would like about one 6 footer for certain places.

Posted on: 2011/1/28 12:14
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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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I feel like the odd man out. I own one rod. A 9' 5wt. Im a minimalist I guess. I make it work for whatever situation I am in. I have fished Penns and some pretty small wild trout streams, and rarely say, I wish I had something different. Not saying there is anything wrong with owning multiple rods, I just have a different perspective on equipment. The less I have, the easier my decisions are, I just grab my stuff and fish.

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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<< Ergo, you're 100% subjectively right but technically wrong. Heh.

gfen,
I said and meant efficient because you can put more pressure on a fish with a 7' 4wt than you can with a 9' 4wt. I am talking about fly rods, if you are fishing with a 2x4, then you are correct a longer 2x4 is better lever than a shorter 2x4. However, if you are using a fly rod, a shorter rod is a more efficient tool. See Ed Shenk's "Fly Rod Trouting" for the complete argument.

Posted on: 2011/1/28 13:22


Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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Its a lever, the bending of the lever also works in your favour as the bend helps exert even MORE pressure on teh fish, without requiring you to aim your hands 270o behind your head to acheive optimum angle.

Fishing rods are third class levers, the fulcrum is at the butt, fish is load and your hand is, of course, force. The longer it is, the less energy you will expend. Period.

Ease of operation, including landing and removing the fish, is a different answer. Its way easier to grab a fi sh at the end of a 6'6" rod than it is at the end of an 11'6" rod.

Posted on: 2011/1/28 14:30
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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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Actually, smart azz, in fact and not theory, the longer a lever is, ( such as a fly rod ), the more force that is required at the fulcrum(handle) to overcome weight or resistance on the other end. It's a pretty basic rule. You have it backwards Gfen.

What you gain is in the distance multiplied from the fulcrum (handle) to the other end (rod tip) when you pivot the lever (rod) at the fulcrum. This is your "mechanical advantage" with this type of lever. You are actually losing leverage as far power is concerned with a longer lever whether it is a bendy lever or not.

It's not even really a physics debate, more like 4th grade science.

The "mechanical advantage" gained with longer rods is in line speed, and of course protecting a tippet (since we are talking bendy levers) among other things like line mending given the multiplied affect of distance travel at the other end of the rod.

Posted on: 2011/1/28 19:09
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http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/Contex ... iagram-of-a-Class-3-lever
For a Class 3 lever the load is further away from the pivot than the effort. There is no mechanical advantage because the effort is greater than the load. However this disadvantage is compensated with a larger movement. This type of lever system also gives us the advantage of a much greater speed of movement.


Snagged on a technicality, but I maintain correctness. Its not a force multiplier in so much as magnifies the distance moved, which in turn still allows you to put more force into fighting the fish by bending the rod down into the lower half and using the power of the rod blank.

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Its a lever, the bending of the lever also works in your favour as the bend helps exert even MORE pressure on teh fish, without requiring you to aim your hands 270o behind your head to acheive optimum angle.

Fishing rods are third class levers, the fulcrum is at the butt, fish is load and your hand is, of course, force. The longer it is, the less energy you will expend. Period.


Perhaps I should've said, "the longer it is, the less effort you have to make." Energy expended was incorrect.

Posted on: 2011/1/28 21:00
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I'm a long time fan of tiny fly rods and love 'em for many trout fishing applications. I use fly rods under 6' year round for brookies and small streams as well as for limestone streams, esp in summer. I build almost all my fly rods now and routinely use a 5'6" fly rod for big trout. This tiny rod has a very small handle and is matched to a tiny fly reel. If nothing else, it makes fish next to it look bigger.

The photo below, when posted on this site 3 or so years ago caused a bit of a stir in that folks were incredulous. It's a big fish, 24" - but the tiny rod creates the illusion it's much larger.

Anyway, I think tiny, extremely short fly rods are something of an aquired taste. Certainly, in this day and age where fly rods keep getting longer, very short rods can be different and fun as well as surprisingly versatile under some conditions.

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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quote/Rod is a lever, your hand is on one side and the fish is on the other side. The longer that rod, the easier it is to apply pressure and the more efficent it is, you give less and get more./quote
look at big game rods and say-sorry Jake,you are right.

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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Also a shorter rod is more efficient once you have hooked a fish.



I understood what Shortrod was trying to say.

However I understand the complicated nuances of fly rods and understand Gfen in his defense given that both long and short rods are efficient in different ways.

The longer rod having the reach and multiplied action or movement at the tip from arm or wrist movement at the handle compared to a shorter rod, the shorter rod as pete mentioned is well suited for ultimate control over a large fish with less effort.

Fishidiot,

I think I saw that pic before in here and was like "Nah Aah!". I think someone else had also posted a micro fly rod with a quarter to half dollar sized reel. Pretty cool. I would totally start fishing for chubs every week if I had a rod like that.

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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JakesLeakyWaders wrote:
I think I saw that pic before in here and was like "Nah Aah!". I think someone else had also posted a micro fly rod with a quarter to half dollar sized reel. Pretty cool. I would totally start fishing for chubs every week if I had a rod like that.


There's a guy in the ultra light forums with something he calls the "fairy rod."

Its a J Austin Forbes "Micro," http://www.jaustinforbes.com/micro.html, 34" rod and a reel the size of a quarter.

I'd love to own one, but can't fathom the ridiculousness of it or its uselessness in my meatpaws.

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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Thanks for that link Gfen, I think that's the rod I saw before.

Posted on: 2011/1/29 0:34
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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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fishidiot, that fish looks like it's 5 feet long!!LOL!

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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I had a five foot bamboo and the smallest hardy reel[could only hold half a line].
Just the ticket for ant,cricket,hopper,beetle fishing and okay for small nymphs.
Used it in Pa,Mt,Co until the seams on the rod came open.
someone I met on greensprings built it for me.$35 almost a weeks pay then.

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Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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My favorite small rod is an Orvis 6'-6" bamboo flea rod that I bought in the early 70's. I ordered it on a Tuesday and told them I wanted to fish Falling Springs on Saturday. They told me to send a check and the rod would be there by Friday. I caught 27 or 28 fish that morning during a Trico hatch. A fun rod to fish.

Posted on: 2011/1/29 21:22


Re: Short Rods and where you use them

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I use a 5'6 3wt for little streams and love it. Love using it on little freestones and limers in the area.

Posted on: 2011/1/30 17:57
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