Register now on PaFlyFish.com! Login
HOME FORUM BLOG PHOTOS LINKS


Sponsors

Browsing this Thread:   1 Anonymous Users



(1) 2 »


Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2011/7/6 12:30
From Ephrata, PA
Posts: 6444
Offline
I picked up a couple of old South Bends on Ebay this week. An 8' South Bend Classic I, which I like. I'm not sure what line weight it was balanced for as either it's not marked or the markings have worn off (no letter codes, nothing). I tried it w/ 5wt line, and I liked how that felt.

The other rod, a 8'6" White Wizard, is listed as a 6wt. It casts 6wt like a champion. My issue is this. This rod is HEAVY. I think it's the metal used at the furrule. Both the male and female parts have metal around them. I'm having some trouble balancing it w/ a reel. The first reel I tried was a Cortland 444 multiplier. Not a light reel, but the rod weight still threw it out of balance. The second reel I put on is an Eagle Claw Granger 780. A little better. It balances about an inch above the cork. The Cortland balanced closer to two inches.

I know that it's not that big of a deal. It's about how it feels when I'm casting. The thing is, it does feel a bit top heavy to me. Any thoughts? I was reading up on adding weight to reels this weekend. Lots of various opinions out there. Anyone here with some real live experience?

Posted on: 3/24 10:08


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here
Moderator
Joined:
2006/9/11 8:26
From Chester County
Posts: 9017
Offline
Quote:

The_Sasquatch wrote:
I picked up a couple of old South Bends on Ebay this week. An 8' South Bend Classic I, which I like. I'm not sure what line weight it was balanced for as either it's not marked or the markings have worn off (no letter codes, nothing). I tried it w/ 5wt line, and I liked how that felt.

The other rod, a 8'6" White Wizard, is listed as a 6wt. It casts 6wt like a champion. My issue is this. This rod is HEAVY. I think it's the metal used at the furrule. Both the male and female parts have metal around them. I'm having some trouble balancing it w/ a reel. The first reel I tried was a Cortland 444 multiplier. Not a light reel, but the rod weight still threw it out of balance. The second reel I put on is an Eagle Claw Granger 780. A little better. It balances about an inch above the cork. The Cortland balanced closer to two inches.

I know that it's not that big of a deal. It's about how it feels when I'm casting. The thing is, it does feel a bit top heavy to me. Any thoughts? I was reading up on adding weight to reels this weekend. Lots of various opinions out there. Anyone here with some real live experience?


It is a big deal, to me anyway. I absolutely hate fishing with a tip heavy rod (a butt heavy one is no fun either).

Many of the older rods especially the boo and glass ones are way too heavy to be balanced by the newer, lighter reels.

Anyway, I try to choose a reel the balances the rod in my hand at the point where I normally grip it. If a cannot find a reel that balances out the rod, I usually add some weight to the reel spool. I've found the best way to add weight is to use some lead tape and wrap in around the spool. Lead tape can be found in any golf pro shop. The backing is wound on over the weight.

Posted on: 3/24 10:21


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2011/7/6 12:30
From Ephrata, PA
Posts: 6444
Offline
Yeah that's why I was surprised that the Cortland 444 didn't balance it. It's neither modern nor light! Maybe a larger Medalist, but the one I have (1494AK) didn't balance it.

I thought about the lead tape. Some opinions were very much against this idea, but others championed it. I'd rather use the Cortland on it as I have multiple spools for the reel and I use my Eagle Claw for my 8wt. I'm not really in the market for a new reel for my 8wt rod, so using it for a 6wt isn't ideal. If you haven't had any negative personal experiences w/ this solution, I'd definitely be open to trying it. I'm not sure I understood the arguments against wrapping the spool.

Posted on: 3/24 10:33


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2013/5/22 20:31
Posts: 97
Offline
I have an old Heddon that is way too tip heavy. I've tried adding weight - then the rod isn't fun to fish.
On another site, a gentleman there permanently splices the glass, removing the old metal ferrule, and places two new spigot ferrules, thereby making it a three-piece. I may try that when I get the time.

Posted on: 3/24 10:37


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2008/1/31 17:19
From Pretty much everywhere at some point, Thorndale today.
Posts: 13491
Offline
Yeah, add weight till it balances. It will feel MUCH better in your hand.

Large arbors in general are heavier than their standard arbor kin. You can also use a bigger reel, for instance, one meant for a 7 wt on a 4 wt. Looks a little funky but it gets the job done. Nevermind that Becker will call you a dirty pinner if you stick an oversized large arbor on there. :)

Or go with lead tape and things like that.

Just keep in mind the basement test requires that the rod be strung with fly line off the tip laying on the ground. Surprising how much the weight of fly line can change the balance, but keep in mind it's pulling on the tip and you have the lever effect. I personally like the balance point to be near the front of the grip. Just ahead of my hand. If it's on the blank near the end of the grip that's ok for me, just not way up the blank.

Some like the balance point right at the hand, they want to be holding the natural fulcrum. It's just personal preference. But weight balance drastically changes the behavior of any rod.

Posted on: 3/24 10:48

Edited by pcray1231 on 2014/3/24 11:09:42


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2013/10/29 14:04
From Westmoreland/Tioga
Posts: 219
Offline
I am in the opposite camp. It just isn't a problem for me. I currently own 7 5wt rods from 6' 0" to 9' 0". I have 2 spools with 5wt line. If a tweak a spool to balance rod x, what do I do for rods y and z?

Only you can decide if it bothers you enough to take action. If so, Afish's suggestion is better than anything I could come up with.

Posted on: 3/24 11:07


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2007/4/8 20:43
From SEPA
Posts: 11362
Offline

The metal ferrules add less weight than you think; its all in the fact that its an 8'6" rod from the '60s. They're all heavy. Its the nature of the beast.

Lead tape/line around the spool works, and has the unintended consequence of increasing drag weight by simply increasing the mass a fish has to pull against.

Medalists will also allow you to pull the spool cap and drop shot inside of it. Same drag consequence, however.

Finally, old brass reels from the dawn of time weigh more than a modern steel or aluminum reel.

Posted on: 3/24 12:00
_________________
April 8, 2007 - December 4, 2011.
And why not?


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2011/7/6 12:30
From Ephrata, PA
Posts: 6444
Offline
Okay the drag issue was what was being discussed as a negative, but gfen stated it more clearly. I remember reading in the past how you dropped shot inside too. Forgot how that was done, so I'll check it out when I get home.

Posted on: 3/24 12:06


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2006/9/9 17:18
From lancaster county
Posts: 6453
Offline
I'm having the same issue with a Fenwick of mine. I was really suprised a 8/9 wt battenkill multiplier didn't balance it.

The custom is a real beauty but I think it's going to be far to heavy to fish with practically and effectively on long trips.

Posted on: 3/24 12:08
_________________
http://cvtu.homestead.com/





Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2011/7/6 12:30
From Ephrata, PA
Posts: 6444
Offline
That's a one piece, right Sal? You might have better luck w/ a Medalist. I have no problem balancing my Fenwick.

Posted on: 3/24 12:50


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2006/9/9 17:18
From lancaster county
Posts: 6453
Offline
No no. My one piece 6' 6wt Fenwick balances fine with a 5/6 battenkill disc drag. It's the 9'6" 9wt 2pc Fenwick that has the issues

Posted on: 3/24 12:57
_________________
http://cvtu.homestead.com/





Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2011/6/12 20:15
From Newville, PA
Posts: 422
Offline
Another option to add weight is to wrap lead core line under the backing. I have a Grey's Streamflex 11' 3 wt and was unable to add enough lead tape to achieve the desired balance. You will want to make sure the lead core is colorfast to prevent staining your fly line. I opted for the Cabelas brand.

Posted on: 3/24 18:50
_________________
“A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.” - Gerald R. Ford


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2010/5/28 0:25
Posts: 567
Offline
Regarding the 8'-6" rod, my question is:

What will you use this rod for? If the answer is streamer fishing for trout or bass then the added weight attached at the reel which will affect the drag may not matter, as you will be fishing with stronger tippet.

Am I right, or just tired and my thoughts muddled?

Posted on: 3/24 21:14


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2011/7/6 12:30
From Ephrata, PA
Posts: 6444
Offline
I plan on using it more for warm water purposes.

Posted on: 3/24 21:24


Re: Question for the glass-holes on here

Joined:
2010/5/28 0:25
Posts: 567
Offline
Then in my opinion you should be OK. I caught how many largemouth and smallmouth bass in my lifetime? 5,000? 10,000? Heck I don't know, in 45 plus years fishing for them.

But this much I do know: they are not generally leader shy. And they don't make reel-screaming runs. They are welter weight bulldogs - use strong tippet and duke it out with them.

Posted on: 3/24 21:32



(1) 2 »



You can view topic.
You cannot start a new topic.
You cannot reply to posts.
You cannot edit your posts.
You cannot delete your posts.
You cannot add new polls.
You cannot vote in polls.
You cannot attach files to posts.
You cannot post without approval.

[Advanced Search]





Site Content
Login
Username:

Password:

Remember me



Lost Password?

Register now!
Stay Connected

twitterfeed.com facebook instagram RSS Feed

Sponsors
Polls
Will you be fly fishing this autumn?
Yes
No
Thinking about it
_PL_TOTALVOTES
The poll will close at 2014/10/31 17:56
Comments?





Copyright 2014 by PaFlyFish.com | Privacy Policy| Provided by Kile Media Group | Design by 7dana.com