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Re: Leaders?

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sun. Those mid/tippet tapers are money. Saves a lot of time and I have no problem using them for all types of fishing. In addition to throwing streamers, they're a prefect leader for switching between nymphs and dries.

Posted on: 2009/11/8 21:09


Re: Leaders?

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I tie my own leaders, using various formulas. They all consist of a heavy but section, tapering down to whatever size tippet your using. I always use about 3 feet of they last size tippet im using. This cuts down on the drag and presents the fly well. Jayl is right though, the lighter the tippet, the faster the sink rate. The stiff butt helps turn over bigger flys. They do tend to coil when storing on my reel, but I use a leader straightener on it, any peice of soft rubber will work.

Posted on: 2009/11/10 16:31


Re: Leaders?

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A little off topic but do y'all use a nail knot or braided connection to attach leader to fly line , just curious. I do it both ways (not that pete) no matter how much anyone likes the braided nylon and shrink tubing connectors i think y'll be wise to learn how to tie a nail knot.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 6:12


Re: Leaders?

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I use a nail knot usually, except I tie it with a short piece of a straw rather than anything resembling a nail. I have just tied loops in both (if they don't already come with them) and gone loop to loop. I have had no problems doing so.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 7:54


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PD to PD about right
commercial knotless leaders with 3 foot tippet.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 7:57
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Re: Leaders?

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There are places where knotless is the way to go, thinking the letort, or still waters with lots of veg.

Nail knot...

Any one use an arbor knot backing to spool?

Posted on: 2009/11/12 8:38


Re: Leaders?

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I sue that to connect backing to spool yes. Was easy and effective.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 8:50


Re: Leaders?

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I also use the arbor knot to connect backing to spool.

I've been using braided loops ever since they came out, and have never had a problem with them.
However - after reading all the posts about most guys using a piece of mono with a loop, nail knotted to the fly line - I've been trying that for the last few years. And I can't really say that it's worked better for me.
In fact, just last month, I had a nail knot connection break on my 3 weight line. It cut thru the fly line. But maybe I just tied a bad knot.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 9:44


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as someone pointed out earlier , knots in leaders pick up vegetation in the stream , i use the cortland loops and clinch knot to it for different types of situations , i find it is easier to tie on when your hands are cold rather than a blood knot this time of year , but each to their own

Posted on: 2009/11/12 9:56


Re: Leaders?

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The braided loops have failed on both me and Afish, and I'm sure plenty of others. Use them at your own risk.

I arbor knot the backing, and whip finish/knotsense a loop in the end of the fly line.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 10:00


Re: Leaders?

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About knot strenth: I enjoy tying blood knots but find my self resorting to surgon knots in the field. Double surgon is just such a quick an effective tie...
If I sit down, to build leaders, on my couch, I'll tie barrle knots..

I think that it's hard to determine which knot is stronger, the bloodknot or surgon in this case. I think both are susceptible from the hands of the angler tying them..Like dryfly eluded to, "badknot"..

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Let me add some of my knots break too..

Posted on: 2009/11/12 10:08


Re: Leaders?
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I make a flyline loop by cutting the tag end at a steep angle, whip finish it with tying thread and coat it. Easy to do, costs nothing, never failed, lasts, floats, zips through the guides, easy to change leaders.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 10:09


Re: Leaders?

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Quote:

sundrunk wrote:
About knot strenth: I enjoy tying blood knots but find my self resorting to surgon knots in the field. Double surgon is just such a quick an effective tie...
If I sit down, to build leaders, on my couch, I'll tie barrle knots..

I think that it's hard to determine which knot is stronger, the bloodknot or surgon in this case. I think both are susceptible from the hands of the angler tying them..Like dryfly eluded to, "badknot"..

edit:
Let me add some of my knots break too..


Everybody's different, so who knows...

But I've always thought blood knots were easier than any other type of joining knot (except maybe an albright). Surgeons are nice in theory, but when dealing with long lengths of line, they are annoying IMO.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 10:14


Re: Leaders?

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jayL,

I will generally only use the surgon knot when adding tippet...I find both knots relatively simple to execute, just the surgon that much faster..The slightest amout of line drag can throw off the quality of a bloodknot..This can be over come in several ways but all add to exstending the process..

Posted on: 2009/11/12 10:27


Re: Leaders?

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I like to draw them under water.

Spitting some skoal juice on them always worked well too. lol.

Posted on: 2009/11/12 10:32



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