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Re: Leaders?
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I use a blood knot for building leaders and little else. Given the strength and ease of tying of a triple surgeons knot, why use a blood knot?

Posted on: 2009/11/26 7:41


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I use a blood knot for building leaders and little else. Given the strength and ease of tying of a triple surgeons knot, why use a blood knot?


I find blood knots easier.

Posted on: 2009/11/26 11:42


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Sorry for the delay guys - haven't checked this section for a few days.
Anyway, the leader that I now use was posted on the FFP site about 3-4 years ago.
I was kinda interested in it, and asked the poster why he uses the stren instead of regular fly fishing tippet. He said that was it was simply a lot more economical. And it's good stuff to boot. And he actually sent me one of his leaders to try - thanks again RBF.
I do like it better than the Harvey leader. So, I got all the required materiels, and started tying them.
If you guys want it, I'll post the formula

Posted on: 2009/11/26 11:45


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Why a triple surgeon?
on braid -yes but otherwise do you really need a triple ?

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As sandfly said, it's stronger and lays straighter than a double.

Posted on: 2009/11/26 12:03


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Not arguing but curious how you improve on 100% which is what the regular surgeons knot is rated with mono -
I just tied a double and triple in 20 pound mono-they lay the same.
Maybe lighter would be different.

I use the regular surgeons all the time in salt-unaware of it before I moved.
Braid to mono needs a triple to keep it from slipping.

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dryflyguy I would like to see the formula to give it a try I us the Harvey Leader formula so I would like to compare them. And I can see how it would save money.

Justin

Posted on: 2009/11/26 18:34


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I've been buying the ones they make at FFP for year. I have never had a problem with them!

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I've been buying the ones they make at FFP for year. I have never had a problem with them!

PaulG


Agreed. Their dry fly leaders are especially good. I tie my own using the formulas from their little yellow leader book - that book is worth it's weight in gold.

Posted on: 2009/11/27 9:48


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jpittman:

This is a dryfly leader that ends up at 11-12 feet long, and uses a 3 ' butt section of Orvis Hy Flote leader materiel

orvis hyflote .019 - 36"
stren lo-vis .016 - 24"
" .014 - 18"
" .012 - 12"
" .009 - 6"
" .008 - 20"
5x tippet - 30"


The original formula called for 5x flourocarbon tippet at the end, but I've been using 5x Orvis surper strong, which is still my favorite

Posted on: 2009/11/27 10:06


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Good deal..I'm going to copy this down and give it a try..

Thanks..

hey have you ever figured out the savings? would you say 50% less?

Posted on: 2009/11/27 10:24


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Thanks for the formula I will get the material and tye some. Do you have any good nymph formula's that you us the Stren with. Again thanks a lot Justin

Posted on: 2009/11/27 11:32


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heres a formula , streight 4lb fluoro off the fly line for subsurface , factory tapered for anything on the surface ...hehehe
i keep it simple.

Posted on: 2009/11/27 17:23


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Good deal..I'm going to copy this down and give it a try..

Thanks..

hey have you ever figured out the savings? would you say 50% less?


The only way that I can honestly see this saving money, is if you tie an awful lot of leaders. The hyflote and spools of stren each cost around $5 if I remember correctly now. So, I shelled out around $30 to get the stuff to tie this leader. But one of my buddies - who likes the leader also - split the cost with me. And we just pass the kit back and forth to each other when we need to tie leaders. Which I do maybe only once or twice a year.
We started this 3-4 years ago now, so we've definitely got our money's worth out of it - especially compared to buying leaders. And still have a lifetime supply of the materiel, or as long as the stuff stays good, I guess.

However, I really think that the main feature of this leader is the hy-flote butt section. If you guys already have leader materiel for the other sections, I would use it.
I needed new stuff when I started tying these leaders anyway.
And decided to try the stren

Posted on: 2009/11/27 23:19


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For $20-$30 bucks i have a whole leader kit , an old plano tackle box , it's made up mostly of maxima but there is some orvis in there too but no stren , in all my fishing endeavors i've never found stren brand stuff to be anything but trouble it twists , kinks and dry rots , even on spinning gear i'd rather use something other than stren.

Posted on: 2009/12/7 8:55



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