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Re: LL Bean Warranty

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Neoprene's do last a long time, even cheapo ones. Different ballgame altogether.

But, to get that longevity, the trade-off is, well, that you have to wear neoprene's. Hot, sweaty, non-breathable neoprenes.

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punch holes in them.lol

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punch holes in them


If they were L.L.Bean Neoprenes, would the lifetime "satisfaction guaranteed" warranty still apply?
Food for thought...

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Wife has a pair of the Simms Blackfoot's, the last year they were made in USA,- still going strong. Those were the cheapest at the time simms offered. Will be purchasing anther pair of them in the future.
LL bean clothing is wicked good, I went through a period where I sent back a pair of shoes each year for 5 years straight and received a new pair each time.
PS turn the waders inside out after fishing to dry, turn back right side out dry and hang to store them.

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My first pair of chest waders in recent memory were Cabelas classic brown neoprene waders. I went through a pair about every two years for six years, then finally broke down and bought a pair of Simms G3 waders last year. They're a bit more expensive, but in my honest opinion, well worth the extra money.

For one thing, they're the breathable type and they came in a size large enough to fit me correctly. The biggest advantage to the breathable type is that they are light weight. My neoprene waders would weigh a ton after a full day of fishing. The Simms G3 have withstood some serious trekking through brush and woods too without any problems whatsoever.

In my opinion, Simms is the best manufacturer of waders. Your experiences could differ from mine, but I'm happy, and that's what really counts, isn't it?

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If 7 years down the road, you are dissatisfied with the product, you should take them up on their offer. There is nothing shameful in enforcing your contract rights.


ABSOLUTELY shameful. You'd have to be an alligator armed chiseler to abuse a satisfaction based warranty on waders after 7 years of use.

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I went through a pair about every two years for six years, then finally broke down and bought a pair of Simms G3 waders last year.


Pretty much the same as me, including buying the G3's. I hope you're right.

That said, the important part of your message is that you bought the G3's LAST YEAR. Hence, they haven't yet reached the life expectency of all the other waders you've bought over the years. i.e. the jury is still out.

I too have high hopes for the G3's, but we'll see. I think all breathable waders I've worn have been plenty comfortable. The important part is hours per dollar paid. i.e. if a pair costs twice as much, they have to last twice as long to be rated EQUALS. As such, I need about 5 years to first leak for the G3's to be considered "worth it".

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The important part is hours per dollar paid. i.e. if a pair costs twice as much, they have to last twice as long to be rated EQUALS


Not for me. For me, the better part is already realized in the comfort and light weight part. If I had to walk far in the neoprene waders, it was almost unbearable on the walk out after wading for most of the day. They pick up so much weight when they're wet.

So far, I'm very happy with the G3s, and to me at least, it's money well spent.

Oh, I almost forgot... I got at least 3x the amount of wear out of the G3s this past year as I did the neoprene waders. I went fishing much more than I had in previous years, plus I got a float tube too and wore the G3s at least once a week leading up to Thanksgiving. I'm pretty sure I got a lot more wear out of them in one year than I did the neoprene waders in 2 years.

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If 7 years down the road, you are dissatisfied with the product, you should take them up on their offer. There is nothing shameful in enforcing your contract rights.


ABSOLUTELY shameful. You'd have to be an alligator armed chiseler to abuse a satisfaction based warranty on waders after 7 years of use.


Really? What if I fished 6 days per year, without any excess, and they failed in the 7th year? I would not be satisfied, and that's what they promised.

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If 7 years down the road, you are dissatisfied with the product, you should take them up on their offer. There is nothing shameful in enforcing your contract rights.


ABSOLUTELY shameful. You'd have to be an alligator armed chiseler to abuse a satisfaction based warranty on waders after 7 years of use.



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This reminds me. I stopped at Wendy's and got a dollar menu burger. Drove down the road and when I finished it, I realized I was still hungry, so I pulled into another Wendy's and asked them if their food had a satisfaction guaranty. It did, so I got another burger for free and was perfectly satisfied. See how I do that?

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Not for me. For me, the better part is already realized in the comfort and light weight part. If I had to walk far in the neoprene waders, it was almost unbearable on the walk out after wading for most of the day. They pick up so much weight when they're wet.


Ok, if comparing to neoprenes. Agree there comfort and weight are far superior. But that goes for ANY breathable.

I've owned Hodgeman, Cabelas, Frog Togg, Orvis, Bean, and now SIMMS G3's, all breathable, and can't say that any of them are more comfortable than any other. They're all a good deal more comfortable than neoprene's, rubbers, and other non-breathables though.

There are differences in longevity. But so far, that's correlated almost exactly to price. Pay twice as much and it'll last twice as long. No gain, no loss by going more expensive. Still looking to beat that curve with the G3's, but it'll be a while before I find out.


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Not for me. For me, the better part is already realized in the comfort and light weight part. If I had to walk far in the neoprene waders, it was almost unbearable on the walk out after wading for most of the day. They pick up so much weight when they're wet.


Ok, if comparing to neoprenes. Agree there comfort and weight are far superior. But that goes for ANY breathable.

I've owned Hodgeman, Cabelas, Frog Togg, Orvis, Bean, and now SIMMS G3's, all breathable, and can't say that any of them are more comfortable than any other. They're all a good deal more comfortable than neoprene's, rubbers, and other non-breathables though.

There are differences in longevity. But so far, that's correlated almost exactly to price. Pay twice as much and it'll last twice as long. No gain, no loss by going more expensive. Still looking to beat that curve with the G3's, but it'll be a while before I find out.



I have a chunk of steel.......steel is steel.......it's all the same...right?!


Same for waders/breathable materials. There are vast differences between the breathability of wader material.

As well, one must consider durability measured in abrasion resistance as well as puncture resistance of the material used in waders.

Add a big consideration concerning the design of the waders as well as as the sizing choices, workmanship and QC?

Also some waders have seams that sewn and taped while others are welded.

What about DWR (durable water repellent) which one is used, how is it applied, surface or using Chemical Vapor Deposition (CVD) machinery? How effective is it new and how long will it last?

How about features, like pockets where you want them, waterproof compartments, zippers, waders that fold down to waist-highs for the warm weather, etc.?

Finally look at the warranties offered by the seller.

Big differences between waders.

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Re: LL Bean Warranty

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I've replaced two pairs in two years. The first was a leak in the leg from a hook piercing them. The second pair I slid down a rocky hill on my butt and ripped a six inch gash in them. Totally my fault. They saw the tear and directed me to the brand new replacements. They never asked how it happened or questioned fault. They didn't have the style I wanted in stock so they shipped them to me at home. I will forever use L.L. Bean waders for this reason.

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Not waders, but I bought a used 10' 6wt with some ferrule damage on the auction site. Had the damage repaired and loaned it to a friend for a steelhead trip. He fell and broke it. Sent it back to LL Bean and they sent back a new rod!

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