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Hand tied leaders

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I tie my own leaders and store them in a leader wallet. My question to everyone is how you wrap long leaders to avoid any tangles when you take them out for use?

For example, I will tie a 12' or 14' - 6x or 7x leader and wrap it around my hand several times and then use two twist ties to secure the opposite sides of the loop and put them in the leader wallet.

My frustration comes when I am on the water nymphing and I see risers and need to switch quickly to my 12' 6x dry fly leader and when I try to unravel it more than half the time I end up with a tangled mess that I either spend 10 minutes trying to unravel or just say *&$# it and get another one out.

So, back to my question. Is there a trick to wrapping the long leaders up so they won't tangle so easily? I start at the thick end and wrap them out from there. Sometimes I will wrap the butt end around the loops a few times to secure them in place.

Any other advice or should I just deal with it and slow down? I am so impatient when I see risers and I want a quick change over.


Posted on: 2013/3/9 9:15


Re: Hand tied leaders

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Well - if you fish drys only, you don't have that problem!

Seriously though - I store my leaders the same way. And there is no real trick to unwinding them - other than just being very slow, and careful with it. And even at that, I still get a tangle occasionally.

You might want to try a different storing method that one of my buddies use. He wraps his leaders on old tippet spools. No tangle problems with that I'm sure

Posted on: 2013/3/9 9:27


Re: Hand tied leaders

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I do fish mostly dries actually, but there always comes a time to switch leaders. Going from a Trico to a hopper in the summer for example.

That is a great idea. I would prefer to use a larger spool though like the Maxima ones so it does not get too many tightly wound loops.

Posted on: 2013/3/9 9:45


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Similar to how you wrap or unwrap an extension cord around your elbow and hand but on a smaller scale. This video is close to how I have always done it:

How to Unravel a Tapered Leader

I think it is easier to leave the thumb outside of the loop so you can use it to hold on to the bunch as needed.

For leaders with long, fine tippets of 5X or smaller, there can be looseness that is hard to control so check the length of it for overhand knots before stretching. And yes, a knotted leader does offer a bit of resistance here and there but just pay attention.

When you put it away, hold the tippet between thumb and index finger, then spread fingers a bit and wrap around your hand until you have 6 inches of butt left, then wrap that around the bunch.

Much easier to show than explain but this is how I have alway done it with no problems. I just use the same size poly bags that the commercial leaders come in, storing a few of the same taper in each.

Posted on: 2013/3/9 10:45


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When you unwind them, put your fingers back into the leader just like when you wound it up. Putting that tension on the inside of the leader will let it unwind essentially just like you wound it and generally eliminates the tangles. Took me a couple years to figure that out and quite a few bird-nested new leaders, but once I started doing it, I have not tangled any since.

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Re: Hand tied leaders

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So when I wrap them up initially is it better to start with the tippet end or from the butt end? It seems the pre-packaged leaders are wrapped from the tippet out to the butt and then the butt is wrapped a few times around the loops to secure them. I am doing it backwards if so.

I like the idea of putting your hand in the loop for tension. I will try that too.

Thanks for the tips.

Posted on: 2013/3/9 11:22


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I start winding the tippet end and then use the butt-end to make a couple wraps to hold it in a loop. It's a live and learn thing bro. You'll find a way that works for you no doubt!

Posted on: 2013/3/9 18:24
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I unravel the butt end and place al my fingers inside and then unwind with my left hand and I have never tangled a leader, I just keep outward tension with my right inside the leader

Posted on: 2013/3/9 20:47


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Quote:
It's a live and learn thing bro


Oh I have lived, I will just never learn.

Posted on: 2013/3/10 9:28


Re: Hand tied leaders

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I hear you!

Posted on: 2013/3/10 10:01
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I wrap my leaders on old tippet spools. When I store multiple leaders I tie a loop in each end of the leader and connect the string together with loop-loop connections.

Posted on: 2013/3/11 10:39


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I wrap them around my hand, starting with the tippet end. Then slide it off, and wrap the butt through the middle and around 3 times. That's how it goes in the leader wallet and stays pretty good.

When I take a new leader out, I have to remember to unwrap the butt 3 times. From there, it just "falls" out. Forgetting to unwrap first, though, leads to trouble and DOES occasionally happen. :)

Posted on: 2013/3/11 12:28


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How long does it take you to tie one together? If it only takes you 5 minutes - I think your better off just bringing the small spools of line in your pocket. I use either a rubber band around the spool or a hair tie to keep the line from unraveling in my pocket.

Posted on: 2013/3/11 12:50
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I use old Rio tippet spools. The elastic band holds them down. Just wind them on, and then wind them off. Never a tangle.

Posted on: 2013/3/11 12:52


Re: Hand tied leaders

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I'd wait to put your smaller DIA. tippet on. That is where I end up having issues.

Posted on: 2013/3/11 12:58
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