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Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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To All,

Well here's the blank so tell me what you think of it.
Blank

While I haven't been able to cast a quality bamboo rod I do own one that I did some work on already. I had a three piece that i picked off of ebay and took the top two part to make a small bush rod my only probably is I cant figure out what line I like best on it9this rod is to short for me to use all of the time,needs new guides still to, tips arent straight but it still works IMO). As far as my preference of casting, I can adapt to any thing and still enjoy fishing the only thing that bugs me some times is the stiffness of a rod.

To Delkins,

"You can catch fish with a $15 Wal-mart rod if you know how to present the proper fly. Fish what you enjoy, but make sure you're enjoying it."

I like what you said because I pretty much agree with it.

To Bikerfish,

Ive tried glass rods but for some reason I just didn't like them


To TimMurphy,

Id love to try some of your rods but I don't know how far of a drive Id have to make *wishes gas was still cheap*


Rolf,


Im not so much worried about the building aspect of the rod because I believe I could do it well so I feel like I wouldn't need other practice rods(Ive actually had practice here and there with new guides, new handles and replacing parts) But Ill check out the forum you gave me.


Tobewan,

Thanks for the website I'm checking it out right now.


Greenweenie,

I'm still absorbing what you said.. Absorbing...




Thanks to all
~Jon

Posted on: 2009/11/4 13:02


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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Jon,

I’ve heard good and bad about the 75.00 blanks on ebay (more bad than good). However, if you cast known or classic tapers from a maker you generally know what you’re buying. If you can get to one of the bamboo rod gatherings, there you will cast more rods in one day than most cast in a life time. IMO, I would hold off, cast a ton of rods, and then keep an eye out on the bamboo boards because from time to time you see some pretty good rod Makers (IMO) trying to unload a blank and it just might be a taper you want. IMO, I usually recommend a bamboo rod that someone is going to use 90 percent of the time if that is a 9’ 5 wt okay. I would be pretty particular about the taper on a 9’ rod (2 or 3 piece). It could become a niche rod or never get fished after your first outing. I’m a bamboo nut and I’ll walk back to the truck, pick up another rod not because the rod I was fish was not performing but I like a different taper or length to fish that particular section of stream. If you find a deal on ebay, I’m sure the folks on the Board here can get you through the process. You can barrow any of the books I have or I can pdf sections and email them to you or call me. Buying a used rod without cast I personally would not do unless you get a 3day inspection period. A used rod with a slight fishing set I would not worry about, however a big set and I don’t know how it got there is a hard call. You can always take the set out of a rod but is it going to stay.


Joe E

Posted on: 2009/11/4 13:15


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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I would be out, I prefer flamed rods. Just to give you a reality check here is the expenditures that remain, so you can prepare if you haven’t: You will have 40.00 in ferrules, 20.00 in cork, 30.00 reel seat, 25.00 agate stripper, 10.00 in guides, 10.00 in silk thread, 10.00 varnish, 10.00 PVC tube (dipping) and then 30.00 rod tube. So that is another 185.00. You can go cheaper but put a good quality set of ferrules on any blank.

Joe E

Posted on: 2009/11/4 13:40


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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Bamboo can be a really confusing world. A couple phrases you will hear:

Fast Action, Dry Fly Action, Progressive Action refer to the same action.

Slow Action, Wet Fly Action, Parabolic Action refer to the same action.

Traditional fast action is not what modern fast action has morphed into (i.e., stiff tip to stiffer butt). A traditional fast action rod has a soft, flexible tip (the first 18” or so), which gradually stiffens as you approach the butt, hence getting progressively stronger. In boo rods this was the action that was traditionally used when fishing dry flies, hence the term dry fly action. Generally speaking most boo rods in the 6.5 to 8 foot, 4-6 weight have this type of action.

Slow action has a somewhat stiffer tip than a fast action rod. Think of the rod going from a somewhat firm tip to a flexible mid section to a stiff butt. The action of this rod bends mostly in the midsection and forms a “U” hence the term parabolic action. This is the kind of action you will generally find on shorter rods (<6.5 feet, 2-3 weight rods – aka midge rods) and longer 8.5+ foot rods, 5- 7 weight, which were mostly used for swinging downstream streamers and wet flies.

Then on top of all that you’ve got tapers and tapers actually define the action and feel of the rod. Tapers are length, line weight and maker specific (i.e., Garrison 206 (7.5 foot #5), Young Perfectionist (7.5 foot, #4/5), Young Midge (6’-3” 4 weight), Payne 97 (7 foot, #4), Dickerson 6611 (6.5 foot, #4), etc.). Each maker developed his own taper for his given length/line weight rod so what this means is a Garrison 206 will feel differently than a Young Perfectionist – not better or worse just differently - and you may like one or the other better.

But as previously stated, the standard first purchase boo rod is generally a rod based on the Paul Young Perfectionist taper (7.5 foot, 4/5, fast action). If you go to the Codella website you will see that boutique makers like Lancaster, Critchfield, Thramer, Pickard, etc., all make a 7.5 foot, 4/5 weight rod based on the Perfectionist taper and the price ranges from $625 to $1450. The Perfectionist taper is probably the most universally preferred taper for a 7.5 foot, 4/5 weight rod, as it can throw streamers, nymphs and dries. Also, when you see a dual line designation it means the rod can throw either a DT line in the lower weight or a WF line in the higher weight.

As for the kit blank, it tells you nothing – you don’t know what you are getting. If you really want a neat rod take a look at the Hardy Fairchild rod (9.5 foot, 5 weight $450) or Orvis Midge-Nymph (7’-9” 4/5 weight missing 1 tip but priced accordingly at $475) on Codella’s site. Personally I would say by the time you’re finished paying $75 for the blank plus investing say another $150 or so for everything else plus all your time and effort, for $225 you are going to end up with a so-so rod because the blank sucks and you’re not going to be happy with it and you’re never going to be able to recover your investment. You really might be better off spending the extra $250 and getting one of these proven rods or getting a handyman special that requires some minimal work but is structurally sound. While neither of these will ever appreciate significantly and become high priced collectors items, you probably will be able to get back 75% of your investment if you don’t like it, thus minimizing your loss.

Posted on: 2009/11/4 14:43


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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Dear Jon,

I live a couple of miles from Penn National - AKA Hollywood Casino. If you want to meet up I'd be willing to meet you somewhere around Hershey or thereabouts if that will work for you?

Let me know via PM and we can hash out details.

Dear tobewan,

I think I bought all remaining 8 1/2 foot 359's a couple of years ago off e-bay to give to my brothers.

I am not aware of any South Bend's that were made as 8 foot rods though there may have been some made as Cross Rods? Most of the South Bend's you will see will be 9 footers and a lot of them are 2 digit rods which are almost always heavier bass and heavy trout rods, the 3 digit rods are "troutier" rods.

Regards,
Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2009/11/4 18:11
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Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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Probably not the cost you're looking for but if you really want to BUILD a rod Jim Downs does classes. You stay at Jonas' place and over the course of 5 days he instructs you while building your rod of choice. Plus it's right no Penn's creek. Schedule it in the spring and you got an amazing 5 days, rod building during the day and fishing the evening hatches of penns.

http://www.ljdownesrodcompany.com/LJD_classes.html

edit: i believe the price for the class / materials and board at the feathered hook is about the price of a new rod, can't really beat that!

Posted on: 2009/11/4 18:35


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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If you're dead set on finishing out a boo rod, get one that's already ferruled.
As for those cheap China blanks, A friend built a couple (Payne 98 & Dickerson 861711 Tapers) and both had poor construction in terms of node spacing and glue lines. But, both turned out to be surprisingly nice casting rods.

Posted on: 2009/11/5 8:58


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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Well i guess I have one question towards the blanks.

What makes them cheap? Do they fall apart easily or some thing?

I just don't know what would make the blank I was looking at suck. Especially if it doesn't fall apart and can cast a line. I was never looking for high quality stuff. When I got into fly fishing I didnt start out with some thing like orvis but I started out with a new k-mart rod that would get the job done. You gotta start some where.. But i eventually got better quality stuff.

Tobewan,

I liked the stuff you said it was very useful stuff.

Posted on: 2009/11/5 18:49


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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TimMurphy,

Thanks for the offer but I cant make that kind of drive. I appreciate it very much though.

Posted on: 2009/11/5 18:50


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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Jon
Concerning the quality of a bamboo blank...
Unlike a graphite rod each rod is pretty much exactly the same in a production rod.. each bamboo rod is hand made to a certain set of parameters by the craftsman who is building the blank. No two will ever be exactly the same. A quality bamboo rod builder is going to use their expierence to pick the right culms of bamboo for the particular rod they intend to build. then hours and hours of work go into turning the bamboo into a rod blank. What has me and I believe many that have responded to your questions "hooked" on bamboo is the fact that my rods have been built by a craftsman that has put their time, talent and artistic abilities into producing a one of a kind tool for flyfishing.
Without starting out with a quality blank you can not develope a quality rod.
Bill A

Posted on: 2009/11/6 7:22


Re: Bamboo, Rods.
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bassistjon112 wrote:
Well i guess I have one question towards the blanks.

What makes them cheap? Do they fall apart easily or some thing?

I just don't know what would make the blank I was looking at suck. Especially if it doesn't fall apart and can cast a line. I was never looking for high quality stuff. When I got into fly fishing I didnt start out with some thing like orvis but I started out with a new k-mart rod that would get the job done. You gotta start some where.. But i eventually got better quality stuff.

Tobewan,

I liked the stuff you said it was very useful stuff.




I either know, or know of many of the posters above that responded to your post about buying a cheap boo blank. These guys really know their stuff and tend to be very modest about their knowledge of both fishing and bamboo rods.

I am not really a boo guy like they are, but I've bought some cheap boo rods on ebay and refurbed them just for fun. But to answer your question, yes it may fall apart (delaminate), or take a set (curve), or twist, or break, or just not cast or fish well. You may very well end up wasting money you really don’t have to waste.

GW said it well, boo making is an art. It starts with knowledge, skill, proper tools, quality materials and ends with many hours of labor. Odds are a $75 boo blank will not end up being a real bargain.

If it were me and I was just started out FFing, I would buy a decent, modestly priced graphite rod that casts well for me and save up my money for a decent boo rod. While saving for the rod, I would do some research and cast rods from different builders and different tapers. Also taking up the offers from some of the posters above really be great experience, and I would bet end up with you finding a great fishing partner. And when you have the funds, you will possess the knowledge to choose the right rod for you and the fishing and casting skills to appreciate a fine boo rod.

As tobewan77 posted, taking boo building lessons and building my own rod from scratch always intrigued me. Maybe someday.


Good luck.

Posted on: 2009/11/6 7:45


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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jon,i think it would be smart to pose these same questions at clarkes.
you'll learn a lot there.

i fish bamboo first,fiberglass second and graphite third.i only use cheap bamboo though!

heres a link to clarks:

http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/directory

Posted on: 2009/11/7 1:41


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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shakey wrote:
jon,i think it would be smart to pose these same questions at clarkes.
you'll learn a lot there.

i fish bamboo first,fiberglass second and graphite third.i only use cheap bamboo though!

heres a link to clarks:

http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku.com/directory


What cheap bamboo rods do you use? Thanks for the website, its very useful so far.

Posted on: 2009/11/7 17:42


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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This is just a thought you could have one of the local Rod Makers Bill Harms or Tom Whittle make you a blank on a Vince Marinaro taper (just a little PA tradition). You can read the reviews on the different rods/ tapers in "Split & Glued By Vincent C. Marinaro. If you don’t want to purchase the book I could PDF and email it to you.

Joe E

Posted on: 2009/11/18 8:54


Re: Bamboo, Rods.

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JoeE wrote:
This is just a thought you could have one of the local Rod Makers Bill Harms or Tom Whittle make you a blank on a Vince Marinaro taper (just a little PA tradition). You can read the reviews on the different rods/ tapers in "Split & Glued By Vincent C. Marinaro. If you don’t want to purchase the book I could PDF and email it to you.

Joe E


Thanks, do either of those guys have a website? I'm still deciding where to purchase a blank. I'm giving my self until Jan. or Feb. to make a decision.

~Jon

Posted on: 2009/11/19 19:42



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