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Re: Affordable Bamboo

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buffalo, your right, no special stuff needed to build a rod. I've been building them for 20 years, just this winter I finally built a nice wrapping jig, before that I used a cheap thread tensioner and some homemade rod holders. I've never used a drying motor, since I build old school junk, I use spar varnish and have no need for a drying motor, just brush on a coat and hang it out of the way, repeat till desired results are achieved.
BUT, I wouldn't do a bamboo as a first project, pick up a cheap graphite or glass blank or kit and practice on that first, then go for the boo.
best piece of advice I can give? patience. take your time, don't be in a hurry. that's why I build in the winter, no rush to get a rod done and get to a stream.

Posted on: 2011/4/2 20:36


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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bikerfish,
I have a little spool tensioner w/o a rod cradle that clamps on a table. I have wraped them by running the thread through a phone book for tension, just put more weight on the book for tension. Some people use a tying bobbin to wrap rods. As far as drying, I use a cardboard box, I cut slits in it and put the rod in the slits. I use flex coat most of the time. They say to turn it 1/4 turn every 15 minutes, but I turn it more often usualy the first hour. I useualy turn it for more than 2 hours also.

I saw your glass rods on the thread they were nice.

Posted on: 2011/4/2 23:28


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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I fish Bamboo 100% of the time. The blue collar cane as they say, you are not going to find in a 3 or 4 wt (heavier weights yes), unless you want to pay big dollars. Hit clarks bamboo forum and some of the other rod building sites. Some Makers do a batch/run on blanks and end up with a few not spoken for and sale them at a reduced price on the forum or to forum members. I have seen blanks for $200 when they sale them for $400 and up. There is no comparison between circular rods and Bamboo. Now lower price bamboo depends on the Maker, there are some good basement markers that compare with some of the recognized rod makers of today. I would stay away from the imported blanks only because of quality control. I haven’t met a rod maker yet that will not share or let you cast rods to make sure you know what you want and get what you want.

Where are you located that will help with a local rod maker?


Joe E

Posted on: 2011/4/4 11:51


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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Burgh,
hmmmn, affordable ,thats a two ended statement where it concerns Bamboo. Look at what some Manufacturers will charge for Graphite ,and yet I seldom hear as amny complaints to price as to the cost of a decent Bamboo flyrod. I mean $700.00 plus for the "newest""greatest""fastest" ...simply outrageous if you knew what it actually costs to make the blank itself.
Where it concerns Bamboo, I too am in the Market for my second Bamboo, I have been trying out numerous rods that my buddies own and also at a few shops here in Pa.If could suggest some sources to check out,Art Weiler who makes some great affordale rods (artweiler.com).He also has restored a Horrocks Ibbotson i picked up off fleabay.It looks like new and casts good too,his reproductions of Garrison,Young, Michel,and Payne are spot on to the real deal and the price is right.
Look into Russ Gooding's Goldenwitch Technologies,{goldenwitch.com}He's got a great business located in Stevens ,Pa.He offers blanks and kits and you name it for building these rods as well as for graphite too.He offers classes where you build your own Bamboo fromstart to finish too.
For used rods there's Bob Selb's " Classic Fly Fisherman" (classiflyfisherman.com} Lansdale ,Pa.He always has a selection of used Bamboo rods as well as some new rods and rods that have never been lined too. Also has the best selection of hard to find used flyfishing and flytying books in Pa. Hope this helps
Tight Wraps & Tight Lines
Rick Wallace

Posted on: 2011/4/4 13:07


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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As noted above, contact Len Codella. He is very knowledgeable and helpful.

One thing to remember is boo rods are generally not very forgiving when it comes to casting. For most boo rods you really have to slow down your casting stroke, have good timing and let the rod do the work. If you try and force or muscle a boo rod, your cast will fall apart quickly and you will get very frustrated. But once you get the timing and feel down, there’s nothing like the feeling you get casting a good boo rod. I think more than anything this is what separates those who like boo from those who don’t, those who do are good casters, those who don’t aren’t good casters.

A couple other things, you’ll see rods labeled as fast action or slow action. Fast action is the same as dry fly action and progressive action and slow action is the same as wet fly action and parabolic action. And don’t be misled, in line weights of 3-6, fast action isn’t necessarily stiff, especially in older more classic rods (new boutique rods may be stiffer, though). Fast action has soft tips and the rod gets progressively stronger as you reach the butt section. Slow action rods actually have stiffer tips with a softer midsection and then a stronger butt section. In fact, if you handed a fast action classic boo rod to someone and asked them what the action is, I’ll bet 99/100 would say it is slow action.

And then there are different tapers and this can get confusing. Basically each maker had their own taper so a 7.5’, 4/5wt Grainger rod would feel different than the same length/weight Paul Young rod. And tapers are rod length/line weight specific meaning the same taper name won’t apply to 2 different length/line class – both will have specific taper names. Tapers can get very personal and one taper may fit a certain casting style better than a different taper. While it is probably impractical to try every taper out there, the most common taper for first time boo buyers (and probably the most universally liked taper by everyone) is the Paul Young ‘Perfectionist’ taper (7.5’, 4/5wt).


Posted on: 2011/4/4 13:20


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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GreenWeenie,
I wholeheartedly agree about the Paul Young "Perfectionist" Reproduction by Art Weiler will be next Bamboo, i have casted this rod and it suits my casting style,the other rod i have casted and if i had the money i'd get would be a Gary Hawes 4/5 it also suits my style.
I use a Walton Powell "Hexagraph" 7'6" for 4/5 as my main trout rod ,except for a few different 10' ers and my Trout Spey 13'4" as well as a Greys 11' 4wt.
The Hexagraph has become my favorite be it for brookie streams or on mid size streams like The Bushkill Creek {Northampton County}, Little Lehigh Creek {Lehigh County} and The Broadhead{Monroe County}.just a lot of fun fishing with it.
Although the Hexagraph is made of graphite and foam its built like a bamboo and durable as all get out.I bought it at Cold Spring Anglers when it was still in business .One of the best rods i ever bought too.
Tight Wraps & Tight Lines
Rick Wallace

Posted on: 2011/4/4 15:52


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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Does anyone use bamboo on a regular basis?
What can I expect to spend to get a decent 3 or 4wt bamboo rod? Essentially I want to know if I get a different feel without having to spend 600+.
I currently fish either a Orvis Clearwater II 3wt or Loomis 6wt. Will a lower priced bamboo rod give me a drastically different feel.
Finally can anyone recommend a good builder?


Lots of good advice in here already, hope this doesn't muddy things further for you...

I fish cane rods pretty much exclusively, not counting the salt. Why? I like the way they cast, I like the feel, the tradition. And figuring that casting is a big part of the game, may as well enjoy it, right?

I've been expanding my quiver lately, so I'm pretty in tune with the current market....

Cost for a decent 3-4wt? Expect to lay out that $600 budget you've set. Just accept it and know that worst case, if you buy a quality rod, you can turn it over, usually absorbing a modest 'rental' fee. You'll probably take a hit, but not much, depending on who/how you bought it; dealer's have their margins, eBay has the passion of the moment...they each add maybe 10%ish that you might not recoup if you try to resell.

You can pick up good quality rods from contemporary builders on the eBay if you keep your eyes open, keep an eye open for Lew Parks or Dennis Stone. I have two of Dennis's rods, one 7'3", the other 8', both for a 4wt, both were in your price range. The fit & finish of these aren't top shelf, there are some blems that you wouldn't want to see in a $1200 rod....but the blanks are solid, the tapers refined and they are great fishin' poles. Lew's rods are also highly spoken of for the price you pay. And all of the names previously mentioned are also good bets, Art Weiler makes a quality rod, but might be a bit out of your price range, he's up in the upper 9's I think...

Regarding 'vintage' rods..there are a lot of good Grangers, Heddons, Montagues out there, but it takes a bit of research and knowledge to not get burned on them. Plenty of lemons out there that you can steer clear of if you know what you're looking at, could be a big if. And most of these lighter line models have bit of collectable mystique that might drive their price out of your budget...but if you're looking to get your feet wet with an 8'6" 6wt.


Regarding the feel of the rod vs what you have now? They'll be slower, so don't rush the cast. Let the rod load and do it's job, listen to it and you'll figure it out.


Another resource you should consider is swinging into the Feathered Hook in Coburn. Jonas has a full rack of bamboo rods, all shapes, styles and flavors. There's a lot of nuance when describing a cane rod's action and figuring out what you prefer. Take a morning, throw some line in the side yard to figure it out. Then go fish Penn's/Elk/nearby brookie stream with your new toy...oh, when I was there last summer, the shop at Slate Run had a few cane rods in the rack and there were couple of nice sticks at the Spruce Creek shop also. If you're fishin' close by any of those, you could probably try out some bamboo pretty easily.

Posted on: 2011/4/4 22:28


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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Don't buy anything without visiting Jonas at the Feathered Hook! L.J. Downes has his own Bamboo rod shop behind the store, and he will let you in and cast everything he has. He builds absolutely fabulous rods!

Budget wise... find a cheap one on e-bay if yyou're not convinced you want one yet. Otherwise go cast some of Jim Downes' rods at the feathered hook and you might find yourself being convinced and your purse strings loosening up a bit! Most of Jim's rods will hit you for around $1500 and they are beautiful, though Jonas MAY have some for less. Codella's has some really nice sub~$900 rods listed, and he really stands by the builders that he lists, so there won't be any 'donkeys' in there.!

There is a difference... a vast difference, but it might not be for you.
~wetfly

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Re: Affordable Bamboo

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Burgh
What many have said here is very true. I fish bamboo almost all the time. I have a pretty small collection of 6 rods at this time. 3 are 4wts. They are completly differnt in feel and purpose but I enjoy fishing each one at different times. You must cast, cast ,cast a new Bamboo Rod to find what you like... If you are in the Harrisburg area to fish send me a message and I'll let you try a few.
Bill A

Posted on: 2011/4/8 9:56


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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I have a Dreamcatcher, made by Wyatt Dietrich out of Chambersburg. I like it very much, and Wyatt is excellent to work with. It was a gift, but I'm pretty sure it ran around $1000 for 2 tips.

I don't have any other boo rods, so I'm not the best at comparisons with other makers. I did cast a bunch of Wyatt's rods when I bought it, and I've casted other rods as well, mostly when fishing with boo guys and everyone trades rods for a while. The one thing I can say that struck me in my limited dealings in the bamboo world is how DIFFERENT each rod feels. Yeah, with graphite, you cast one, and then another model, and can feel a difference. But compared to boo, those differences are minor. The differences between tapers in bamboo are huge, even in different models made by the same guy. And thus I think it's disengenuous for anyone to try to describe a "stereotypical" bamboo action. You gotta get out there and cast them and see what you like.

Frankly, I see them as specialist rods. I love my bamboo, but it does some things exceptionally well, and other things, well, it sucks at those. As most of the rods seem to dictate how they want to be cast, I think thats going to be true for most boo rods. Whereas a good graphite stick, it does what I want it to do.

Posted on: 2011/4/8 13:34


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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Dear Ray,

I really won't disagree with anything you said except for your last paragraph. It's not the rod that "sucks" at something, it's the user.

With proper technique you can do anything with bamboo that you do with graphite and I do mean anything. 75 years ago if you went fishing you used bamboo, or perhaps steel or solid wood, for those were your choices.

Back then bamboo was the prefered material for all types of fishing, from mountain runs to the open ocean. Flies were cast and fish were landed. Records from those days still stand.

Since that time so long ago I am unaware of newly discovered species of fish? So the reality is that nothing has changed, except perhaps the perception of the users?

Regards,

Tim Murphy

Posted on: 2011/4/8 21:02
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Re: Affordable Bamboo

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Just wanted to drop a quick line of thanks to all that replied to this thread. I am happy to say that after consideration and a few test casts I did end up getting a bamboo rod. I have yet to hit a stream with it but have done some casting in the yard. It certainly is different and will take some more getting used to but looking forward to adding the new Allen reel when it arrives and giving it a full workout.
I ended up getting it on the secondary market for much less than I thought I would have to spend...so yes it fit into my definition of affordable. 8ft 4wt

Posted on: 2011/4/18 23:18


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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nice, what make of rod did you settle on? be careful if you fall under it's spell..

shot you a long winded pm reply earlier, not sure if you ever got it or if it vanished into the ether...

Posted on: 2011/4/20 19:31


Re: Affordable Bamboo

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The rod is made by a guy by the name of Wes Peterson. He builds under the name Big Sky Rod Company. Here is a link to his site.
http://bigskyrodcompany.com/Bamboo.html

The rods that I test cast were much more expensive than I wanted to spend especially for a first bamboo rod. It did however spark enough interest that I wanted to at least give it a shot with my own rod. With this option I did not have to commit a crazy amount of money and can figure out just how much I like the difference.

Posted on: 2011/4/20 21:59



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