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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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"I'm not necessarily looking for a slow action rod. I want something that will present a dry much more delicately than my gl3, but is plenty fast enough to handle nymphs and light streamers."

I'd recommend the ZXL sage model. I have its "father" -the SLT. It feels the same as the SLT to me, but lighter in weight. It excels at what you described as your needs. Dries, medium sized weighted nymph rigs and weighted streamers up to size 8.
Best part, they are on clearance. I've seen them for 450-500.00

Posted on: 2012/11/20 18:37


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Nymphingmaniac, thanks for your reply. I definitely need to cast a ZXL. I never really new where it fit into the spectrum in terms of application. Sounds like it might be be the ticket. I guess it's one of those rods that flies under the radar.

Posted on: 2012/11/20 20:05


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Hook_Jaw wrote:
for 90 would have to be in bow on top too


deal. when are you picking it up? shipping is extra.

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podflyguy wrote:
I'm not necessarily looking for a slow action rod. I want something that will present a dry much more delicately than my gl3, but is plenty fast enough to handle nymphs and light streamers.


That's easy, another 2.5' of leader and casting practice. Dry fly action rods of yore were always faster than their "wet fly" or "trout" tapers. The faster line speed helped dry the flies out on each cast. Delicacy isn't something in the rod, its what you do with it.

Buying a couple spools of Maxima is alot cheaper than a shiny new rod.

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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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gfen is correct about delicate and fast rods/dry flies, but I think I know what you mean. You want something that will throw a "trout taper" line like the rio LT line well with a delicate tip for dries without having 35 ft of line out, right? At the same time can handle a heavier taper like a rio nymph line for nymphs/streamers. The SLT/ZXL will do so. It will handle a general purpose line like rio gold too. However for me, when nymphing and chucking streamers I use the rio nymph and switch over to the trout taper for dries.
I have the 5wt 9ft SLT

FYI: Rio lines in the old packaging are on sale now 49.00 (reg 75.00)

Posted on: 2012/11/20 20:58


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Exactly, I have rio gold on my 5wt now and it's not loading a dry with a few feet off the tip. I don't claim to be a great caster, but I know that I can accomplish the same task with my 3wt setup with DT. Unfortunately the 3wt just isn't enough for bigger streams, otherwise I'd fish it all the time. Maybe I need to experiment with some different lines.

Posted on: 2012/11/20 21:38


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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podfly,

Forgive me if I'm confused but the GL3 should be able to lay out a cast soft enough to catch fish anywhere. If your Loomis isn't putting the fly down the way you'd like, it may be your stroke or change your fly line brand / model. You aren't overly fond of the Loomis rod? Ditch it and replace it with a rod that you feel handles dries, nymphs and streamers. From the reviews I read, the One in a 5wt is good but not great. It seems to be better in heavier weights (no clue why). If you want info on the Winston products, listen to jdaddy. I should have bought stock in Winston before he started fishing. He's got tons of their rods.
You mentioned the Delaware but if you fish Penns, Loyalsock, Pine and a few others.... they are pretty big waters and having a rod with some a** wouldn't hurt. If it's an issue of presentation, it could be your stroke or the line making the casts land harder than you'd like. I think Rio Grand gets your fly on the water like a brick dropped from a 5 story building. Don't care for it at all. Gold works way better for me. The Rio LT is just OK IMHO.
It sounds like you and I have similar desires in a fly rod. I'd like a faster action with a softer tip that allows me to feel where the line is. Rods sometimes give the impression that it is slower when it's just softer toward the tip. The softer tip aides in accuracy and in shorter casts. The 2 rods I've been using for the last couple of years that meet the requirements and match the feel I'm looking for have been the Sage z-axis and the St Croix legend elite. Someone previously mentioned a ZXL. Great rod but not exactly fast or a big water stick. Wouldn't suggest it based on what you are looking for.
If you ever get over to central PA, you're more than welcome to demo my junk. I think you have an Orvis down your way. Have you considered the Helios? You could probably demo a mid and tip flex side by side and see which fits your stroke and needs best.

Just kicking some ideas around.

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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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personal meh aside, the redington ct is alot of moderately fast rod for $75, which it is as its currently on sale at cabela's.

if its not, you can buy one from me in the allentown area for half price, plus tax, including warranty and a gift receipt before it goes back this sunday.

gfen, mine came in today. While its not as slow as expected, I think I have found a replacement for my Imperial. I'll let you know how it fishes.

I still want a Winston tough.

Posted on: 2012/11/21 20:09


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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you can come to me, as i'm going right past Cab's door on Sunday



on the way to Reading?

remember, we can feed it to the worm.

Posted on: 2012/11/21 20:36


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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You can beat a good 4 weight 9 foot rod for a great presentation on bigger streams. But I sort of define bigger as something on the order of Pine Creek in NC PA, because my 4 weight 7' 6" rod goes everywhere else. Echo rods are designed by Gary Loomis and they aren't very expensive if money is an issue. In fact I have an 8' 4 weight rod made by them I use fairly often.

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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Youcan beat a good 4 weight 9 foot rod for a great presentation on bigger streams. But I sort of define bigger as something on the order of Pine Creek in NC PA, because my 4 weight 7' 6" rod goes everywhere else. Echo rods are designed by Gary Loomis and they aren't very expensive if money is an issue. In fact I have an 8' 4 weight rod made by them I use fairly often.


I agree that you can beat a 9 foot 4 weight on larger streams such as Penns, Pine, D, etc and that would be a 9' 5wt. Even a 6 if you frequently fish in adverse weather.

Posted on: 2012/11/25 22:56


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That should have been Can't Beat a 4 weight Rod. What can I sy I can't type.

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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Check out Greys too. Made by Hardy without the sticker price. I have a discontinued model that I use as my dry fly rod and love it. Got it for a steal too!

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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Hardy Zenith 9ft. 4 wt. Perfect rod for your use case. Check out the 4 wt. shoot out from Yellowstone Angler for a description.

Posted on: 2012/12/11 10:37


Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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Clarify what type of streams you'll be fishing with this rod?

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Re: 4wt vs 5wt

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FWIW, I have the same GL3 and love it for pretty much everything on bigger water, including dries, though I'd agree if I know I'm definitely gonna be dry fly fishing, I often carry a softer actioned rod. And my small stream rod is a 7'6" 5 wt throwing a 7 wt line, and I use it for streams much smaller and thicker than VC, which I do not consider to be a "small stream" until you get up around Exton, really.

As was said, the 2 rods you mentioned are generally considered pretty stiff.

I generally find that I can "bridge gaps" with different actions, different weight ratings aren't really necessary unless you want to make a big jump. i.e. you could get a stiffer 3 wt, or a softer 5 wt, and cover what you're going after. Except, you probably wouldn't have to buy a new reel, line, etc.

Heck, I have a whole stable of 5 wts. My lineup is 7 rods. One 7 wt for steelhead/bass, and six 5 wts! All of the 5 wts share a single reel. I do have an extra spool loaded with 7 wt line on it for the brookie rod.

They range in lengths and actions, and honestly, I feel like I cover my bases pretty good with them. I've got the GL3 which is my nympher and streamer rod, and can handle dries when called upon. I've got a softer action bamboo which handles the fine dry fly work. I've got the short, stiff one for the tight brookie streams. I've got 2 tweeners, gap bridgers like what you're looking for. And a spare workhorse (was replaced by the GL3 but I never got rid of it, it was my "starter" rod and holds sentimental value).

Posted on: 2012/12/11 12:30



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