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Re: custom dubbing blending

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mutzinbaugh wrote:
do you guys think that muskrat fur is good for nymphs?


Oh yeah. The muskrat nymph is a Central PA classic. If you pick out the sides, it also makes a good cressbug immitation.

http://www.flyfishersparadiseonline.com/product_p/wn07.htm

Blend 75% muskrat with 25% gray squirrel.




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Re: custom dubbing blending

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I'll agree - muskrat has been one of my favorite dubbing furs for years. Just muskrat fur dubbed on a hook - no tail, no shell, no rib - is a very effective fly. I like 25% gray to cream synthetic to make it a little more translucent. the squirrel makes it spikier. It is also easy to find free trimmings from trappers or furriers.

I'll show my age. Back in the 60's there really weren't any fly shops around and many materials had to be obtained locally - usually from a hunter or trapper. Muskrat was a prime dubbing back then, with bleached muskrat used for lighter flies. Bucktails and pheasant tails were also popular and grizzly hen capes came more from a retired layer than Metz, etc.

Of course muskrat is the original head dubbing for the Al's Rat - a PA fly and a hard to beat midge pattern. A pinch of synthetic will make the head glow a little more IMHO. The Al's Rat works best with a touch dubbed head that you hardly know is there. A very light touch dub on a silk thread also makes a great body for a soft hackle or emerger. Less is more - you just want to create a translucent look with the color of the thread showing through.

Posted on: 2013/2/11 10:50


Re: custom dubbing blending

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ok now i need to find me a muskrat. al's rat, sow bug, etc...i need to get a bigger box.

actually i have been working on a sow bug pattern for a while now and still am not happy with the results, maybe i ought to dumb it down like the one in the video, kiss is what they say.

Posted on: 2013/2/11 23:38


Re: custom dubbing blending

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Where in central Pa. you at Mutz?

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Re: custom dubbing blending

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Another dumb "sow bug" pattern - a gray Honey Bug on a 12 or 14 hook. KISS

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Re: custom dubbing blending

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i meant no disrespect about dumbing it down, i just tend to put too much into my flies and the simple ties seem to work just as well...

do you have a pic of the grey honey bug jeff?

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Re: custom dubbing blending

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lv2nymph, pm sent... basically upper dauphin county

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Re: custom dubbing blending

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I really like muskrat and use it in a lot of patterns. But while we are on the topic of dubbing, I just picked up a beaver skin and can't believe how great this stuff is for dubbing. The hide is packed with dense underfur and it spins into a beautiful dry fly body. I haven't tried dying it yet, but I would bet it takes color well. It is probably too smooth to be useful alone on nymph patterns, but would likely make a great base for building a spikey blend. The skin wasa slightly damaged item (not good for furs, great for flys) circular and almost 3 feet in diamater, so for $8 I have a lifetime supply.
Mike.

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Re: custom dubbing blending

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FrequentTyer wrote:
I really like muskrat and use it in a lot of patterns. But while we are on the topic of dubbing, I just picked up a beaver skin and can't believe how great this stuff is for dubbing. The hide is packed with dense underfur and it spins into a beautiful dry fly body. I haven't tried dying it yet, but I would bet it takes color well. It is probably too smooth to be useful alone on nymph patterns, but would likely make a great base for building a spikey blend. The skin wasa slightly damaged item (not good for furs, great for flys) circular and almost 3 feet in diamater, so for $8 I have a lifetime supply.
Mike.


frequent tyer, do you have a recipe for olive dye? i was thinking about how to make olive dubbing...shoot a mink, mix the right rit dye, and there you go...

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Re: custom dubbing blending

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frequent tyer, do you have a recipe for olive dye? i was thinking about how to make olive dubbing...shoot a mink, mix the right rit dye, and there you go...


You have to do some small batches and adjust to get the olive you want. My starting point for a small batch with Rit is the following:
4 parts yellow
1 part kelly green
2 parts dark brown
1/2 cup water
about 1 tablespoon white vinegar

A "part" is about 1/8 teaspoon. I have a little scoop that is about that size. everything but the vinegar gets microwaved in a glass jar for 1 minute, then stirred to get everything dissolved. I then microwave til it just begins to look like it will boil. Add vinegar, add material and move it around every few minutes. Pull out after maybe 10 minutes and rinse in cold water. If you want darker then put back in for another 5 min. You can reheat if needed, but I will usually only do that once.
Make sure the material is clean to start. If it is "raw" I will hand wash it with Dawn or Tide and rinse well. Also be sure to pre-wet the material in hot water first to help avoid blotching and to keep the dye from cooling too quickly.
Obviously the approach here is more art than science. I'll usually dye a small hide patch or a bundle of feathers and play around with time and amount of the different colors till I get what I want before scaling up to a large batch.
Mike.

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