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Re: Wingcase ??????

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I don't know how to answer this but to say just do it till you get a feel and the look you want , although i never heard that before the width of the hook gap would be a good place to start , sounds good to me. As far as coating or using something to strengthen or harden the wing case , i do on some and i don't on some , it depends on what you are goin for , at some point , in nature , a nymph must develope a hard , shiney wingcase , and at others the wingcase looks kind of fuzzy. I learned to tie and fish nymphs mostly on Donegal Spring creek and Clarks creek you got to see a wide variety of things.

Posted on: 2010/3/15 6:08


Re: Wingcase ??????

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Borger in his book Nymphing used peacock herl for the larger nymph patterns (say # 14 and larger), based on some stoneflies with herl wingcases he saw tied by Dave Whitlock in Joe Brooks's book Trout Fishing (I have both books). I like the look of them also, though it can get a bit crowded at the eye if you're not careful. It is best to avoid herl that is either too skimpy so it doesn't break so easy or or too thick that the tie-down is too bulky.

The nice thing about herl or other single strand fibers or even yarns for wingcases is that you don't have to be so precise about sizing for width, since you can just go a bit heavy and then bunch them tighter or not depending on how the fly is shaping up. They also lend themselves to tapering.

In full disclosure I long ago bought into the notion that there is just something about peacock herl that is effective in a fly and so try to incorporate it wherever possible.

Posted on: 2010/3/15 9:16


Re: Wingcase ??????

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Herl is so delicate. I am assuming you must be treating it with something, right? I tie my flies eau naturelle, but might have to give that up to try herl in some of my patterns.

Posted on: 2010/3/15 9:33


Re: Wingcase ??????

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Jay, I don't treat the herl. I don't have a problem with breakage but I do test the herl used for integrity, sort of like a goldilocks not too brittle, not too bulky. Like with hackle it pays to be choosy with herl.

Posted on: 2010/3/15 11:27


Re: Wingcase ??????

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I always heard to match it up to the hook gape, but it's always been an eyeball game for me. I use pheasant tail butts after wrapping the abdomen or turkey. If it comes apart, so be it. I omit them on most of my nymphs anyway.

If I want them shiny I use thin-skin.

Posted on: 2010/3/15 14:47


Re: Wingcase ??????

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i love thin skin over peacock for pt nymphs , also like thin skin on small scuds , does it help ? not sure but i like it

Posted on: 2010/3/15 15:34



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