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Re: Steelhead flies

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tomgamber wrote:
how much longer can it take to put a bead on a zug bug and make due? I'd try it before you write it off.


I think he meant the pattern in general. bead, lead, biot tail, tinsel, peacock, hackle, biot wing, finish..... takes me about 15-20 minutes a fly depending on whether I'm sitting down intently tying, or watching tv and tying. Just more in depth than a HE.

Posted on: 2009/8/19 10:51
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Re: Steelhead flies

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tomgamber wrote:
how much longer can it take to put a bead on a zug bug and make due? I'd try it before you write it off.


I think he meant the pattern in general. bead, lead, biot tail, tinsel, peacock, hackle, biot wing, finish..... takes me about 15-20 minutes a fly depending on whether I'm sitting down intently tying, or watching tv and tying. Just more in depth than a HE.


3 words:

Peacock. ice. dub.


Posted on: 2009/8/19 11:16


Re: Steelhead flies

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ryguyfi wrote:
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tomgamber wrote:
how much longer can it take to put a bead on a zug bug and make due? I'd try it before you write it off.


I think he meant the pattern in general. bead, lead, biot tail, tinsel, peacock, hackle, biot wing, finish..... takes me about 15-20 minutes a fly depending on whether I'm sitting down intently tying, or watching tv and tying. Just more in depth than a HE.


Takes me almost that long to tie a proper prince too. But it takes me half that to tie a zug bug with a bead head. Bead, herl, wire, throat, wing case, done. They are really close and I'm a shortcut kind of person.

Posted on: 2009/8/19 11:32


Re: Steelhead flies

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Reorganized my steelhead flies into one box and here's the picture. 85 flies and counting. I'd like to have the box filled by the first run, but we'll see how that goes. Tied up a few "bombers" last year but never tied them on, gonna try to get one on top this year.

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Re: Steelhead flies

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Nice Spread Ryan.

Question for everyone. . .It has kind of been talked about earlier in this thread.

How important are the legs (hackle) on the bead head prince nymph as well as the ribbing? Tom, are those good short cuts to take or not??

I tied one real quick yesterday after work and left the hackle and rib off. It looked nice clean and simple. I am wondering if anyone has tried fishing something like that before.

It only takes another 3 to 4 minutes to put the rib and hackle on but when tying 10-15 prince that saves atleast a half hour to 40 minutes.

Posted on: 2009/8/20 9:55


Re: Steelhead flies

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Nice Spread Ryan.

Question for everyone. . .It has kind of been talked about earlier in this thread.

How important are the legs (hackle) on the bead head prince nymph as well as the ribbing? Tom, are those good short cuts to take or not??

I tied one real quick yesterday after work and left the hackle and rib off. It looked nice clean and simple. I am wondering if anyone has tried fishing something like that before.

It only takes another 3 to 4 minutes to put the rib and hackle on but when tying 10-15 prince that saves atleast a half hour to 40 minutes.


Ribbing is a durability thing as far as I'm concerned. I now it represents segmentation but so do wraps of peacock herl. I still tie in the hackle. Its like 2 wraps. I trim all but the bottom off. "wire "refers to the ribbing and "throat" refers to the hackle but they both are still there. Its the tail and the biots where you save time. Its just a simpler fly. Depends where your priorities lie.

Posted on: 2009/8/20 10:08


Re: Steelhead flies

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Its the tail and the biots where you save time. Its just a simpler fly. Depends where your priorities lie.


Exactly. Anything that involves positioning individual pieces of material on the hook like that adds time and complexity. The tails and biots on a prince are a PITA compared to the rest of the fly. A zug bug has all of the same important features (triggers to the fish), minus the complexity. Prince nymphs have just been marketed better.

When tying attractors, substitutions can be made pretty easily.

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Re: Steelhead flies

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I'll have to agree with what's been said so far. However, if it's not broke, don't fix it. I've tied my princes the same way since I started tying and have always caught fish on them. It's my go to nymph and I don't ever intend on messing with my pattern. The only thing I ever change is my hackle. Mostly brown, but sometimes tan or grizzly. I like a longer hackle to make it a bit like a wet fly too. There were 2 kids from a local college fishing next to me in Erie last year and weren't getting a hit, and I was killing them. I handed them 2 princes each and just watched them have a ball. Nothing's better than that!



Anyone have a preference on egg sizes? Most of mine pictured are on a sz 10 scud hook. I seem to have the most success with that size on steelies. I occasionally go to a sz 14, but usually just change color, not size.

Does size really matter?

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Re: Steelhead flies

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it might be interesting to note that i have a different catch rate with zug bugs and prince nymphs.

in my household i tye the zugbugs and my girlfriend tyes the princes.

i have tried the "go to" wings instead of biot on prince nymphs with no success on trout(never tried them on steelhead)when regular prince nymphs did fine.

i also think the ribbing adds a lot of flash,not just segmentation or protection to the herl.

zug bugs and princes sure are two nymphs that are hard to beat.

Posted on: 2009/8/20 11:42


Re: Steelhead flies

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Very nice guys thanks for the input.

I think I will probably keep tying the traditional princes for now
I just need to buckle down and make them.

I have a bunch of tail and wing biots and I am finally after several months getting better at attaching them properly.



That is also what I have been tying my eggs on. (sz10 scud)
I havent had much success on a single egg personally.
I would assume if stream conditions change. Much like normal trout fishing step up a size so the fish would see it a bit better.

I look forward to this year and trying some new things I havent before.

Posted on: 2009/8/20 12:33


Re: Steelhead flies

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I havent had much success on a single egg personally.


Keep trying. On certain days, my salmon colored single egg is a must on trout. Surprisingly I've caught probably just as many browns as rainbows, even though rainbows are notorious for liking egg patterns. A tandem of that and a nymph has saved me many days on the water.

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I think we should have a Great Zug Bug Prince Nymph Experiment if we get a Steelhead Jam together. Rules and Regulations to follow....

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Re: Steelhead flies

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I'm claiming my spot on team zug bug.

Posted on: 2009/8/20 13:48


Re: Steelhead flies

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here's one for the lack of tug with the zug!

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Re: Steelhead flies

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That sounds AWESOME. Sign me up for Team:

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