HELP NAMING A PATTERN

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mike_richardson

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A club is looking at purchasing some paterns from me. They are not keen on the name stockie killer. :)

I need to come up with a new name for them to display. So here are a few of my ideas for the pattern. I mixed a prince nymph with a caddis larva for the patern.

The fly is the multi colored nymphs on the top row. I am making them in red, chartreuse, olive, green, black, flourescent pink, shrimp, brown, green, amber and orange now. I may tie them on a scud or pupa hook in the future as well Sorry this is the best picture i had for now.

possible names i came up with

Prince Caddis Fly- the combination of the two paterns
Lilly Fly-after my lab
MPR Special-initials
Richardson special
Trout Candy Fly
Winged Caddis Larva
light bulb fly-cause its a good idea ;)
megatron
dynamite fly


Any helpful insight is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Mike
 

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"larva lace prince nymph" because, let's be honest here, its a larva lace prince nymph.

edit: more correctly, "beadhead larva lace prince nymph" so as to differentiate it from the non-beadhead version.
 
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sounds good

but not exactly a prince. Has white biot tail instead of brown, is larva lace the same a vinyl rib.
 
"What's in a name? that which we call a prince nymph by any other name would smell as sweet"
Bill Shakespeare
Noted playwrite and fly fisherman
 
Watch your naming rights on the fly. Naming a "prince" might be infringement on a trademark.

You can look up on a national trademark site to see if any of yours are taken.

 
mike_richardson wrote:
but not exactly a prince. Has white biot tail instead of brown,

oh, well that changes everything. bodonkonk obviously.

honestly, do whatever you want with it, but history will remember it as "that vinyl ribbed prince nymph" if you're lucky; "some prince variant" if you're not.
 
mike_richardson wrote:

possible names i came up with

Prince Caddis Fly- the combination of the two paterns
Lilly Fly-after my lab
MPR Special-initials
Richardson special
Trout Candy Fly
Winged Caddis Larva
light bulb fly-cause its a good idea ;)
megatron
dynamite fly

Nobody else likes megatron? Obvious winner!
 
How about, “Yet Another Slight Variation On A Famous Fly.”
 
larve lace is hollow but its basically the same thing
 
One piece of advice. If you're planning on tying and selling these then get your pattern down to an EXACT science. Length of biots, number of wraps of larvae lace, turns of peacock, color of thread, how it's finished, etc. Those little things separate you from a novice tier to an advanced one.
 
I once thought I came up w/ a fly pattern for a beadhead nymph. It wasn't creative, and it turns out many people tied the pattern before me, but in my little fly box I called it the "Handsome Killer". Pattern sucked, but I still like the name.
 
GreenWeenie wrote:
How about, “Yet Another Slight Variation On A Famous Fly.”

YASVOAFF

Or how bout
Prince SK ("Stockie Killer")
 
In the interest of infringing on as many trademarks as possible, I would name it "the fly formerly known as the larva lace Prince nymph."
All kidding aside, the naming thing is getting a bit ridiculous, but so is any real concern about it. Show respect for the originator of a pattern if you know who that might be. Otherwise call it what you want. You have to cal lit something after all. Personally, I would stay away from using my name in a pattern. That seems like something that should be done by others out of respect for the originator. But that's all just opinion.
Mike.
 
FrequentTyer wrote:

All kidding aside, the naming thing is getting a bit ridiculous, but so is any real concern about it. Show respect for the originator of a pattern if you know who that might be. Otherwise call it what you want. You have to cal lit something after all. Personally, I would stay away from using my name in a pattern. That seems like something that should be done by others out of respect for the originator. But that's all just opinion.
Mike.

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Didn't think that guys would take this that personal. :) LOL

i mean the only thing on this that is similar to a prince is the white biot wings behind the bead. A prince has no thorax and is pretty much all one body, has a brown biot tail, many have hackle around the wings, a wire wrap on the body that is all peacock herl with no differences between bod and thorax. But who am I do discredit more talented tyers.

Thanks for the insight on keeping the paterns down to an exact science. Many times i am cranking them out fast and miss these easily overlooked little details but i can see what you are talking about. When placing them in a side by side it can give them a sloppy non uniform look.That is a great point of advice that i will be taking better consideration for and am eternally grateful!! Thanks again for all of the helpful insight!

I only asked for help on this because the shop asked me to name the fly. Didn't mean to get you guys fired up ;)

Larva lace prince variant sounds good. I will look into the trademark infringements as well.

Thanks again,

Mike
 
Mike - another way to look at this is to consider the results of naming this fly with a cute, or catchy name. Let's use megatron, for example.

Down the road, when someone is searching for a pattern to tie, they'll likely never see your pattern if named megatron. If it really is a successful fish catching pattern variation (and I don't doubt this), people searching for a variation of a prince nymph likely won't find your pattern. It kinda gets lost in the plethora of patterns out there - there's no "road map" that leads one to it.

In other words, a good pattern that few will ever see.

Take Becker's "Badonkadonk" pattern. It's a simple, very effective caddis larva pattern, that few people will ever find due to it's name. That's a shame (no pun intended), because it really is a good fly. Had he chosen a more descriptive name, more people would be able to search it up, and he'd likely get more credit for coming up with a good caddis larva variation.

Just something to think about...
 
mike_richardson wrote:
i mean the only thing on this that is similar to a prince is the white biot wings behind the bead. A prince has no thorax and is pretty much all one body, has a brown biot tail, many have hackle around the wings, a wire wrap on the body that is all peacock herl with no differences between bod and thorax.

Yeah?

I took the liberty of giving you a few results that seem to come up as "prince nymphs," but seem to pretty much ignore your advice:
http://www.riverbum.com/images/products/big/Prince-Nymph-Wired-Tungsten-BeadHead-side.jpg
http://www.cutthroatctu.org/Cuttfly/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Hot-Wire-Prince-Nymph1-560x350.jpg
http://www.theflyfishingplacestore.com/images/1262353124264-1809276918.jpeg
http://www.intheriffle.com/frontend/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Hot-Wire_prince_nymph.png
http://www.bearsden.com/media/sr_bead_head_neon_prince_nymph_orange.jpg
http://vimeo.com/42062447
http://media.photobucket.com/image/prince%20nymph/RonS81/PrinceNymph142.jpg
http://cdn.stripersonline.com/a/ac/ac0e3854_vbattach345089.jpg

prince nymph is prince nymph. some have thoraxes, some do not. some have brown tails, yellow tails, and maybe even white tails.

prince nymph is prince nymph.

you can sell them as megatron mpr nuclear hot sauce blue cheese king nymph a la mode, but people will just say, "yeah, i used a larva lace prince nymph."

 
That last one looks killer.
 
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