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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern
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I think it depends and yes, doing both right should increase your chances. That said, how do you diagnose the "problem" if you don't know whether your pattern is correct or your presentation, or neither?

Posted on: 2013/5/28 14:09
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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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Years of practice. There is no substitute for happening upon a situation that at first stumps you and working through the variables until the stupidest or most impatient fish of the bunch takes your offering. Having the right bug but not getting the same movement as the natural is a sure way for a fish to get under your skin with refusals. You gotta put your time in, no way around it.

Posted on: 2013/5/28 19:39


Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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blueheron wrote:
Years of practice. There is no substitute for happening upon a situation that at first stumps you and working through the variables until...


Absolutely.
Observation is the key. Recognizing what is on or in the water is the first step. There may be more than one choice.
Then try to figure out how the fish is rising. Where in the column? What does the rise look like?
Finally, try to work through the variables until you figure it out or you move on to other fish.

Shane noticed that there were spent Apples on the water.

Eventually he figured that the fish was taking the spent caddis with a gentle sip, not moving far and not chasing. A logical choice.

But, he wasn't prepared with an accurate enough pattern or his wet fly presentation sucked so bad that the fish didn't take.


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... how do you diagnose the "problem" if you don't know whether your pattern is correct or your presentation, or neither?


Trial and error.

touche' pussycat

Posted on: 2013/5/28 20:39

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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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But, he wasn't prepared with an accurate enough pattern or his wet fly presentation sucked so bad that the fish didn't take.



Yes and very good possibility! Lol

Posted on: 2013/5/28 21:17
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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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Ahh... the puzzle of fish and flies. Such a wonderful game is it not? Everyone presents a good case on this scenario, one that has the possibility of so many different solutions. Can you have every fly or do you need to have every one on you at all times? When you know with enough time where you plan to fish to either tie or buy the proper flies you can, maybe. A little homework on what could be "on" when & where you're going to be on the water helps, but again can you have them all when you need them all? It's true the best thing you can do in times like these is stop have a seat and just observe. One should try to never stop thinking, processing what is going on around you. Time on the water and experience is truly the best teacher, but when this is limited some study at home about different insects how they hatch and how the trout react to them can be an important supplement to making what limited time you may have on the water that much more successful.This is a good thread, with good ideas being bounced around.

Posted on: 2013/5/28 21:36
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The stream I fished I knew had a sulphur, march brown, tan caddis hatch going. I always carry olives and knew they would be a possibility. I actually thought I was pretty covered with what I needed.

I agree presentation is big. I proved that with the size 14 black bodied black parachuted egg laying grannom that I missed 2 takes on. However, those fish were really keyed into those size 18 spent apple caddis that I was not prepared with. The day was by far a loss and a highly enjoyable day.

I am one that is obsessive compulsive with certain situations. I will never give in and will pound away until I figure a fish out. I had to to be pulled away from these rising fish with the lure of other large fish rising to yellow mayflies. I am glad I was pulled away.

I would have went back the next day to establish my dominance over the pea brain pigs, but decided to spend the day with the kiddos.

Here is a little guy that my cousin caught on the new water.

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Posted on: 2013/5/28 22:02
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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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Here is Mike Lawson tying a partridge wing parachute (HD available).

Mike Lawson Tying EZ Caddis

I would not do everything exactly like he does, but you can see how it would be possible to tie this tent like as he does, but then press it down and flatter if you need to. Or tie it more spent to begin with. But I prefer flies that can do double duty if possible.

I would think that he tends to fish either from a drift boat or accross and down, which means showing the rear of the fly first, and therefore highlighting that silhouette, which may be one of the reasons the post is not bothersome. Not to mention a sipper near the surface does not have much of a window. I'm just guessing I don't know the man.

He seems like a down-to-earth guy and I think these are his first videos. It's not often one of the "big" names in fly fishing puts out HQ free vids like these. In a separate video he reviews Hungarian partridge skins and has some interesting comments that are relevant.

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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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It could be helpful to know how the Apple Caddis oviposit. Some species do so on the surface the way many mayflies do, others are diving caddis, and I believe some climb down to the streambed on rocks. So exactly where in the water column the riseform takes place. (Surface, subsurface, and inch or two below) Its probably rare that the fish become so keyed, but when they do, and they are large, it can be an important problem to solve!

Most of the comments here suggest seasoned angler making good observations. But its a common mistake of less experienced flyfishers to see a rise form and think its time for a dry fly. Shane is no newby and out-fishes me all the time, but I thought it was worth mentioning for the sake of other readers, the possibility of sub-surface riseforms. Careful observation is always important.

Posted on: 2013/5/29 5:56
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Re: Favorite Spent Caddis Pattern

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On more than one occasion , actually more than a few times, a properly presented wet will take the fish that seem to be eating near the surface. The trick is to be located where, at the end of the drift, the fly rises through the water column into the fishes window of sight. At that point you still need a reasonable facsimile of the food source to seal the deal. The fly needs enough mass to get it down during the drift but not so much that it can't rise at the end.

Posted on: 2013/5/29 7:48



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