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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........
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As one who does not buy expensive equipment, I have to say that I believe there is a difference in some of the more expensive equipment; however, as you say, it isn't in how well they catch fish. I have had rare opportunities to see and cast more expensive rods and they often are more pleasant to the eyes and the touch than the stuff I fish with. Anyone who thinks they can spend their way into being a better fly angler better spend the money on lessons rather than equipment.

Posted on: 2009/2/5 11:35
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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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I went and bought a 5 weight combo yesterday at Cabelas. I am a firm believer that the more expensive the rod doesn't=more fish caught. I think I ended up spending $150 for rod, reel, backing and line.


so what did you buy?

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I went and bought a 5 weight combo yesterday at Cabelas. I am a firm believer that the more expensive the rod doesn't=more fish caught. I think I ended up spending $150 for rod, reel, backing and line.


so what did you buy?


I guess that would help! I got a Cabelas traditional II 4 piece 5 wt. I have a four wt tradional I and liked it. I took it out back this morning and casted it and liked it so far. Gonna try to go to the Tully tomorrow and give it a shot.

Posted on: 2009/2/5 12:22
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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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I got a Cabelas traditional II 4 piece 5 wt.


I have that same rod...its a whole bunch faster than the old traditional but that's one of the reason I got it. I like mine a lot.

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I got a Cabelas traditional II 4 piece 5 wt.


I have that same rod...its a whole bunch faster than the old traditional but that's one of the reason I got it. I like mine a lot.


That's awesome! The guy said this model is better than the previous with faster action and I liked the previous a lot! Can't wait to get out and use it. Hopefully tomorrow!

Posted on: 2009/2/5 14:02
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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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I must have deleeted my last post, I was on heavy pain killers for a post knee operation and listening to Iorn Butterfly, ahhhhh the good old days. Here's how i see it; The big box stores serve their purpose in keeping equipment in reach for the common 35k-50k working man. While other tackle mfgs think we all make 100k+ bonus to match. Most of us dont drive to our favorite fishing spot in our brand spanking new 85k Import wearing $800 waders to a stream you cant wade in. I may have over priced the waders a bit but everything else is the truth and we see it all the time. We all cant mis-manage business and then reward failure and incompetence as they do. Its good to save money where you can but when you buy rods and reels the small fly shop cannot be replaced, period. I was looking at an 8 wt. St.Croix Avid and the shop owner said " take it out his weekend and if ya want it we'll talk". Box store dont offer these kind of services and the little guys know it.

Posted on: 2009/2/6 9:09
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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........
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Tim Murphy also knew this shop and the owners very well. I started FF when I was in high school at around age 16, but didn’t have a clue for the first few years. I started to really get into FF in college, but of course I didn't have a lot of money to spend. I stopped at local shop to buy some stuff. The shop owner steered me right, sometimes steering me towards things that were less costly for me, less profitable for him, but worked well. He would often take me out and give casting tips and lessons (for free). When I bought fly-tying materials would give me extra scraps of material and feathers to tie with (for free). When I had a questions about a pattern or tying method, he or his wife, who was a great tier, would give me an impromptu fly tying lesson on the shop vise, and give me some sample flies that they tied for me (for free).

After graduating from college, I got a real job and started making some real money. I was about to take my first FF trip out-west and the shop owner lent me (for free) a multi-piece Sage travel rod to take with me that would ride on the plane. When I bought a high-end rod (Sage), reel, or waders that couldn’t be discounted because of the pricing policy of the manufacturer, the owner gave me some free FF merchandise as a discount. Whenever I stopped in the shop to ask about the hatches, and business was slow, the owner would tell his wife to watch the shop, and we went off together to fish one of the streams near the shop to see what’s actually hatchin’.

I bought more rods, reels, lines, waders, vises, materials, and FF do-dads than you can imagine from him. Wouldn’t you?

Posted on: 2009/2/6 10:11


Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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Little Lehigh,

If you had ordered at FFP, you'd have found the shipment on your step the next day, with a hand written note thanking you.

I don't think anyone's arguing the little private shops are cheaper, they aren't, and if you're following the numerous sales at the box stores its not even really close. If you're on a tight budget, then go the cheaper route, I don't think anyone will have a problem with that, we all do it on occasion. Some of us will choose the good service route.

When I want hooks, at a box store I gotta search through and find the hook I want hanging on a rack, and I'm on my own to figure things out. At a good shop, I simply say I wanna tie sulphur comparaduns for use on X creek, and they'll give me the right hook, give me hints on how to tie it, sometimes even sit down at the vice and teach me, and they'll tell me when and where it'll work best. If I want a rod, I tell them I'm looking for something in this price range for this purpose, and I get to go outside and cast them, maybe even take one down to the stream for a longer test. They'll even talk you down in price, and that impresses the heck out of me. If my rod breaks in 3 years, I don't have to deal with the manufacturer, I take it back to the shop, they remember the day you bought it, handle all the details, and give you a new rod that day. Some of us are willing to pay more for that kind of service, and have no problem giving $7.50 for shipping on occasion. We're paying for more than the product recieved and are fine with that.

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Afish, you express, perfectly, the reason for shopping at a small shop. PCray's supporting point hits the spot as well.

I think that the point being made at the beginning of this thread is in reference to both of your posts.

If the small shop doesn't provide these extras, then it's not worth the money. Nobody can argue that the small shops' expertise of their area, FFing and tying isn't worth the premium they charge. Just that without those extras, paying the premium is, more or less, paying extra money for the sake of paying extra money.

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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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I'm sure nobody wants to see this topic pop back at to the upper end of the fly tying board, buuuuuut, I figured why not? With all the talk about the small shops I went ahead and bought a bunch of tying supplies from a small shop in person.

So, my question to those who have more experience than I:

What's with the selective patronage to the clientele? Here's what I'm talking about:

I stepped into the shop (very nice little place, btw) without so much as a glance from the owner. I was looking (admittedly, somewhat perplexed) at the tying materials in the back. I'm new to tying and fly fishing, so I don't know my way around.

Nobody came to help. After about fifteen minutes of staring and picking a few things off the wall I asked who I assume was the shop owner's wife. After mentioning that she didn't really know all that much about the sport she was happy to show me where they kept the different materials. Great, I got what I needed and went to pay.

At the desk, the shop owner wouldn't even look me in the eye. When I attempted to strike up jovial conversation I was met with one word answers before getting my stuff receiving a nod before heading out the door.

Now I realize that I was probably around 20 years younger than anyone in the shop, and I realize that I was the only one wearing business clothes (I shot in right after work)...obviously, I'm expecting a bit of skepticism.

Is this just the sort of thing that happens when you stop in and you're not a regular? Are there fly shops out there that are happy to see new entrants into the sport who also happen to be young guys? Is it the business-wear that I had on (come on, we all gotta work, right)?

I know there are a few shop owners and a lot of shop frequenters on the board, so how about some words of wisdom?

I want to support small shops. If I'm going to get better service at a big box store though, then I can't really justify shopping at the little guys'.



**I won't give the name of the fly shop, or its location. I'm sure they're good guys; there was just some resent aimed at me.

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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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I fit your description, and that has only happened to me once or twice in small shops. Normally, they are more than welcoming.

Posted on: 2009/2/9 10:34


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Just got my Orvis catalog today, and checked the shipping rates. A $75 order would have a shipping rate of $9.95.

Both UPS and Fedex keep raising their rates, much more than the rate of inflation. That's why shipping rates have gone up. Some places offer free shipping, just like some places have "sales" of 10% off this or that.

You have to just choose what you think is best. But I'm a very satisfied customer of FFP. The information, the knowledge, is worth paying 10% more. Just ask them one question every time you order something and over the years you'll learn so much. I've forgotten a lot of what I learned from them already, but it was nice to learn it in the first place.

Posted on: 2009/2/11 14:09


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I always thought patronizing the smaller shops in PA was the thing do do, not only for all the reasons folks have mentioned on this thread, but also because its like sampling one of the worlds greatest collections of individual eccentrics.

My life is far richer for having done so and it was worth the extra 10% or whatever many times over..

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Re: And here is why I don't buy from the little guy........

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for someone like me who doesnt like close to a fly shop - it makes sense for me to buy from online small sellers and then when I am in the vicinity of a small fly shop, I will certainly stop and buy from them, that is my take on it -- we all have to do what we have to do in these times, and I think actually people will be fishing more this summer because gas is lower and stress is higher and they just need to get away - fly shops will make their money...

Posted on: 2009/2/11 15:12
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