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You Know The Creek

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The tributary was 38 degrees and where it entered the main stem it was 41 degrees. Air temp was as high as 63 degrees. Me SRoach the Prof and my son fished from 11 to 3. SRoach and I volunteered from 9 to 11 in one section of the creek cutting vines that were choking out the trees. I became reacquainted with my chain saw. Had to spend $75 to refurbish it but it was worth every penny. Now I must say SRoach and I spent more time stream side cutting down vines as opposed to other areas of the park. There were BWOs and Midges hatching all over the place. We saw schools of more than 100 Browns most of them small but a good number of 11/12 inchers. We fished drys emergers WWs hares ears but not one caught. I do want to say one thing though. We ran into a Valley Forge TU guy in the parking lot who told us to fish Stone Flies. Said it was the killer fly for this stream. Then he told us to to come to a VFTU meeting and buy some stuff. Yeah...after telling us to use a Fly that would catch no fish and then come to a TU meeting to buy stuff? Foxgap what kind of company are you keeping?

Posted on: 2013/3/9 19:32
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PS Also told us he was in favor of pricker bushes as is it limited pressure on the stream.... yeah I would join this Chapter...Really?

Posted on: 2013/3/9 22:46
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Sounds like you already had your mind made up and nit picked a reason out of an encounter with someone you could blame for your stance. You know if you look hard enough you can find and excuse to satisfy your lack of interest in doing something positive.

IN a volunteer outfit like TU you can pretty much boil the membership down to "lead, follow or get out of the way" You were firmly in the middle class until the last sentence of post one and post two. And that is the meat of TU. Carrying out the vision and leadership decisions of the local chapter. But now you are in the way by trashing a guy for making a joke about pricker bushes.



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Seems the 2 hours I spent cleaning out stream side vines must have gotten overlooked. I appreciate all acts of volunteering. Only the IRS knows what I do with TU and other charities. Maurice I have met 100s of anglers. This guy was different. Telling us to fish stone flies on Valley was downright wrong. PS That was no joke he made about the pricker bushes...he was dead serious. He specifically stated he did not want anglers in the subject matter stream.

Sometimes "volunteers" can grow a little power happy. Let me give you an example I have come across in my career. Have you ever had to deal with a Zoning Board/Condo Association? They are volunteers. And they pass Commy like laws/regulations like what color trash can you have to use...not allowing rabbits as pets not allowing perimeter fences....I could go on and on. Are zoning boards important? Sure they are...take a ride through the Poconos to see that...but the point I am trying to make is that no matter how altruistic the motive of volunteering is...some "volunteers" see it as entitlement and self aggrandizement . Nobody is going to tell me I can't fish a public stream that is not posted by the landowner.

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No, I mentioned the bisque....."You were firmly in the middle class " (Following) Yadda, yadda....

Posted on: 2013/3/10 11:17
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Nobody is going to tell me I can't fish a public stream that is not posted by the landowner.


Kudos for helping to clear brush - TU volunteers do thousands of hours of this sort of thing across the state. However, you might wish to keep in mind that TU and other similar volunteers are often working (out of sight from non-members) in outreach to landowners etc. You may think you've got every right to fish there but don't be surprised if that access has been coordinated - sometimes with considerable difficulty and patience - by TU volunteers. While I'll confess to not being familiar with the exact details of this particular situation, might I humbly suggest that before you broad brush VFTU in the same vein with zoning boards antics.....that you might care to join 'em for awhile and see what they're really all about. You don't have to agree with every chapter policy (most of don't). Give TU a chance, and I think your views with respect to private land access may become more nuanced.

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No, I mentioned the bisque....."You were firmly in the middle class " (Following) Yadda, yadda....


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FI: At my age I volunteer with my wallet. I donate to TU and give more that the hat is worth. And yes I appreciate the work of the local TUs as well. Maybe when I retire and have more time I will look that way. I am sure there are some guys in VFTU that are in their sixties. I think the guy I met yesterday may have been in his 60s [might explain his cantankerous demeanor] but I suspect most members are a tad younger.

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Nobody is going to tell me I can't fish a public stream that is not posted by the landowner.


Kudos for helping to clear brush - TU volunteers do thousands of hours of this sort of thing across the state. However, you might wish to keep in mind that TU and other similar volunteers are often working (out of sight from non-members) in outreach to landowners etc. You may think you've got every right to fish there but don't be surprised if that access has been coordinated - sometimes with considerable difficulty and patience - by TU volunteers. While I'll confess to not being familiar with the exact details of this particular situation, might I humbly suggest that before you broad brush VFTU in the same vein with zoning boards antics.....that you might care to join 'em for awhile and see what they're really all about. You don't have to agree with every chapter policy (most of don't). Give TU a chance, and I think your views with respect to private land access may become more nuanced.

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fade - like any other group, VFTU has a spectrum of folks, and their flavor varies from day to day. But you should know, and you should always remember, that several of your favorite named or un-named streams would NOT, repeat NOT NOT NOT, enjoy their quality of habitat and trouty life, if it not were for the past and continuing most prodigious efforts of VFTU as a whole.

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I am aware of that Les. Matter of fact Afish sent me a PM that has completely changed my perspective on steam sharing. I now realize that in some instances there is a better good to be served. I just don't know how you can defend a guy that on a day as gorgeous as yesterday was, deliberately tells a fellow angler to fish a non productive fly. By the way I know his name and for peace and harmony I will not "out" him. Truth be told, with the lack of fish the 4 of us caught we may as well have been fishing stoners

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I've never had much luck with the early stonefly imitations, but I've heard many people say they do well with imitations of the little early stoneflies this time of year.

So, he may be have been completely sincere about using that fly pattern.

Regarding streamside vegetation management, there are many different (but sincerely held) differences about that, too.

Some people think all non-native vegetation should be removed. Other people think vigorous vegetation is good for the stream, whether non-native or native, so it's best to not cut it.

Posted on: 2013/3/10 19:07


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Stone Flys on Valley equal no fish. PS Where has all this bamboo come from?

Posted on: 2013/3/10 21:20
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Send it back. Seriously Mo is York County being attacked with bamboo like I am seeing here in Delco and Chesco?

Posted on: 2013/3/10 21:44
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Seriously? Your cutting down stream side brush? Why are you doing that?

Posted on: 2013/3/10 21:51
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