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Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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I have become friends with quite a few of the land owners down the entire street and could probably get access to park so if he posts it would make access tougher and probably less fishing pressure but I still think they should be respectful. If he posts I forsee issues on the other side of the tunnel where overlfow parking may cause that landowner issues and he could end up posting. This is bad no matter how you slice it.

Posted on: 2012/9/24 15:29


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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Yeah It sucks anyway you slice it.

Posted on: 2012/9/24 15:31


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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Are you guys talking about the parking at the very end of the road by the RR bridge?? Still trying to get my bearings.

Posted on: 2012/9/24 16:47


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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Quote:

troutpoop wrote:
Are you guys talking about the parking at the very end of the road by the RR bridge?? Still trying to get my bearings.


That we are my FF-ing comrade.

Posted on: 2012/9/24 17:09


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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A couple of weeks ago, my uncle and I were walking through and saw the sign we stopped at it and saw the land owner working down below. We yelled down asking if we could go through and he said go right ahead. Thanked him and moved on.

Posted on: 2012/9/24 19:27


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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I posted link link before. You can read about
it. There was some discussion on it in the forum too about that time

http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/29/3277371/rail-or-derail.html

Posted on: 2012/9/24 21:02


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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One way to keep access is to pick up trash left by others. My experience on the J is that warms the heart of someone considering posting their land due to the actions of a few slobs.
serves as a reminder of the good people who use the land

Posted on: 2012/9/24 21:08


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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I guess I'm not really sure who the landowner is inthis matter? There is an older couple back that road. I've always had positive conversations with him and his wife. I helped them look for thier dog one time last year. A beagle I think. There are several houses/cabins back that lane. There also appears to be someone living(?) on the other side of the creek too. Who owns the bridge?

On a note closer to the point it would be a shame to loose this parking area. If people would just be considerate of others this type of thing wouldn't happen. If that lot is full then just move on. Let's remember this is fishing, and an outlet/recreation.

Posted on: 2012/9/25 6:32


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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They dont own the bridge as far as I know. Yes people live on the other side of the stream. There are 2 older couples that live on the road and people as well. I have never had a problem with anyone around.

Posted on: 2012/9/25 8:11


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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I also am curious about who owns the bridge. Does anyone know?

Posted on: 2012/9/25 10:11


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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if the bridge was owned by the railroad (it is an old RR bridge, right?), when they abandoned the rails the land goes back to the land owner. I assume this applies to the bridge.

Posted on: 2012/9/25 12:17


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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I'm not sure it matters a lot who owns the bridge, if the private landowner on either end of it declines to allow public access. If there were a public road crossing the bridge then there might be an easement allowing the public to scrabble down the bank to access the river immediately adjacent to the bridge within the existing right-of-way. But based on the reports this is private land with no easement giving access even to the former railroad bed itself.

Posted on: 2012/9/25 12:27


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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Well, I think it could be argued that the streambed itself is navigable, and thus public. I'm not sure how that applies to the bridge over the stream, but I can't really imagine manmade land overtop of public land being private?

Typically bridges over navigable waters would be public. However, typically, those same bridges are roads with public right of ways. You obviously can't drive this bridge. So I don't know what that means for ownership. And beyond that, there's no question whatsoever that the actual land is private. Does that include the entrance/exits to the bridge? It could be that the bridge itself is public but that accessing it requires crossing private land?

In any case, at this point, outlining exactly what is public and what is private is beside the point. There's room to work with landowners to satisfy everyone before we start drawing lines in the sand and starting a war.

Posted on: 2012/9/25 12:29


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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I was there two weeks ago and while crossing that section of the trail that was posted I ran into who I thought might have been the landowner. I spoke with him briefly and he said he was a good friend of the owner and was just walking down to check on his land. He told me exactly what Govtmule said; The guy does not mind the fisherman or trail users crossing his propery on the old railroad bed, he was upset about kids camping on his land and building fires and partying all night long.

I also noticed the adjacent land was posted for sale. The parcel just after crossing the bridge from the tunnel lot.




Posted on: 2012/9/25 12:39


Re: Posted Land on Penns Creek

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Ive been hearing about them posting the parking lot for a long time. The other guy across the bridge I had a feeling he would do something about posting I just had that feeling.

Posted on: 2012/9/25 12:42



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