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Re: Penns Creek Access at Coburn
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Here is a thread on this subject from last fall.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 6:49


Re: Penns Creek Access at Coburn

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The area where the cabins are, on the same side of the creek continuing past the parking area is all state ground. Correct me if I'm wrong but, there is no way they can legally keep you from accessing that area. They most likely all have state lease cabins. They may not like you walking through, but you have every right to.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 9:25


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I love that it's posted less people fished last night from the edge of his posted signs to all most Ingleby didn't see anyone. But the circus is coming to town non the less. It's amazing how idiots park alot of times down by the tunnel to piss that guy off. That guy is so easy to get along with he just wants out of towners to use some common sense.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 9:46

Edited by Hook_Jaw on 2013/5/24 10:16:36


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He seems like a really nice guy

Posted on: 2013/5/24 10:41
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There is no way that the property owner has the legal right to own the old railroad bed. If it is part of the rail trail, then the trail organization payed for access to the strip of land that the railroad went through. back when all the rail roads were torn out, it was very unusual for the rail property to be sold to the owners of adjacent properties. If you look at property maps, a lot of the old rail land is still owned by railroad companies or entities.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 11:34


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TYoung good luck with that lol Go tell him that and see how it goes.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 12:19


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I agree with Hook. Over the years I've gotten to know a lot of great people in western Union County and in the Coburn area. But one thing is always understood - land ownership has great meaning.

Jeff

Posted on: 2013/5/24 12:45


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Quote:

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The area where the cabins are, on the same side of the creek continuing past the parking area is all state ground. Correct me if I'm wrong but, there is no way they can legally keep you from accessing that area. They most likely all have state lease cabins. They may not like you walking through, but you have every right to.


It's not state land. Those are not state lease cabins. It's private property.

If you download the Bald Eagle State Forest map, and zoom in, you will see the correct boundaries.

The boundaries are incorrectly shown on Google Maps and AcmeMapper.

Even the little parking area is privately owned, not state land.

Regarding the other post saying that the railroad grade is open to the public. That would be a matter for a judge to decide.

It is not the case that in general the public has a right of access to abandoned rr grades. Each case is different, and if you don't know the details, you should not advise people that they have a legal right to walk through there.

It depends on the original legal agreements made back in the day. In many cases when a rr grade is no longer used by a rr company, all rights revert to the landowner, per the original contract.

I'm not a lawyer and haven't researched the deeds, legal agreements, etc. but based on what I read in a newspaper article in the local paper, I think it is very likely that the public does NOT have a legal right to go through there.

It is best not to cross through the no trespassing signs. Because trespassing might lead to other landowners posting, and make it difficult for the state to try to reach access easement agreements etc. in the future. There is nothing to be gained by mistreating private landowners in this area, and much to be lost.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 12:46


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There are tags on the trees that show the boundaries

Posted on: 2013/5/24 12:48
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Another thing. During Green Drake madness, that little parking area often fills up. If you get there and it's filled up, do NOT park on the grass nearby. Whether there are signs there or not.

That is private property and the owner does not appreciate people parking on his lawn. If the parking lot is full, turn around and drive away.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 12:53


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Thanks for clearing the state boundary lines up for me. Yes, I was guilty of looking at Google Maps. So I stand corrected.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 14:01


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We actually had a conversation with the owner of that property (next to the small parking area) when we were up last weekend. He doesn't live down there, but lives up above. He expressed concerns about that lot getting parked up and the ability of emergency vehicles to get back into the houses that are below the parking area. He said he also had people parking in that yard which was destroying the grass, etc.

I can only imagine the madness that occurs during the green drakes and how frustrating it is for some of the property owners.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 15:01


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Every year at this time I think i should give the green drake hatch on Penns a go than I read comments like "green drake madness" and decide it's best to just go somewhere else.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 15:31
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I think if I was a land owner and people parked in my yard, there'd be a lot of "loose screws" making their way into tires.

Posted on: 2013/5/24 15:36


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or maybe put up a small fence?

or drag some large-ish rocks down off the hill or out of the tunnel for a prohibitive border?

if the landowners are getting that upset, there seems to be a simple solution...

Posted on: 2013/5/24 18:35



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