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Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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Why doesn't someone make a call to New Enterprise and find out what their motivation is, instead of speculating about hunting, liability, company ownership change, etc.?


The people I've talked to so far don't know, Im working on it

Posted on: 2017/11/22 9:07


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.
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Why doesn't someone make a call to New Enterprise and find out what their motivation is, instead of speculating about hunting, liability, company ownership change, etc.?


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The LJRA has cleaned this area for 12 years. In fact, the first clean up yielded 2 long dumpsters of trash from the limestone road area. People were dumping things back there. LJRA clean it up and continues to do so each year.


The LJRA, the local conservation club, has a relationship with the Company. It may be best for them to contact New Era, rather than have random people calling and trying to gain access by questioning ownership rights and motivation for posting.

I'm sure that New Sal, as well as other locals and members of the LJRA organization will keep us informed.

Posted on: 2017/11/22 9:21


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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salmonoid wrote:
Why doesn't someone make a call to New Enterprise and find out what their motivation is, instead of speculating about hunting, liability, company ownership change, etc.?


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The LJRA has cleaned this area for 12 years. In fact, the first clean up yielded 2 long dumpsters of trash from the limestone road area. People were dumping things back there. LJRA clean it up and continues to do so each year.


The LJRA, the local conservation club, has a relationship with the Company. It may be best for them to contact New Era, rather than have random people calling and trying to gain access by questioning ownership rights and motivation for posting.



Bingo!

Posted on: 2017/11/22 9:44


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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Bad news for sure.
That's one of the most popular areas of the river for fishing.
I run into Bill Anderson there frequently.
I'm sure he's aware of this, and will be on it

Posted on: 2017/11/22 9:49


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Camp wrote:

People will be on the water no matter with navigable status, so no liability exists on the water activity.

Walk in exists within the flood plane.



Navigability status does not provide a public right of access within the floodplain.

It provides a public right of access only within the channel.

Which is a very different thing.





Posted on: 2017/11/22 17:16


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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You are more correct in terminology, though I do think it is high water mark, not water channel or flood plain.

Point being that the water will be able to used for recreation due to navigability status so liability impact for land owner is negligible if walk in fishing use is allowed or isn't.

Perhaps the people at NE can be convinced to follow the townships example (from the Limestone Road abandonment) and cede their water access "liability" back to a public entity like a land conservancy.

Would really like to know what has changed and what the options are moving forward.


Posted on: 2017/11/22 18:04


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So, does new enterprise also own the gravel lot just above the pemberton bridge. That is where most people park to fish the big hole up and down from the bridge.

And if you can still access at the bridge, you would be able to wade upstream - within the high water mark of course.


The gravel area is also posted.
Looks like babe road and wade down, or junkyard and wade up.


This is disappointing.

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Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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Could the Fish Commission purchase an easement from the company? If they Don't use that land for anything, maybe they would be willing to sell.

Posted on: 2017/11/22 23:03


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I hate getting jerked-around by crap like this. A reason why I don't go to the Little J. much at all anymore. Access fatigue.

Syl

Posted on: 2017/11/22 23:49


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Just seen the posts on Tuesday of New Enterprise posting some sections on the Little J. I was in disbelief and saddened to hear the news. Just so happened I was doing a guide trip on the J on Wednesday morning and when I finished for the day I decided to do a little investigating of my own. Drove around to the areas that NE owns and to my surprise there are new posted signs up in areas that have not been posted in the past. What I did notice that there were all new signs around all of there properties. I just spoke to Kevin Compton owner of Performance Flies in Spruce Creek a few minutes ago. He was unaware of the new no trespassing signs placed in those sections. He said he was going down to the NE office this morning to see if he could get some information on why the area's were being posted that had not been posted in the past. I am sure Bill Anderson has probably got the news by now too. Hopefully between the two of them they'll be able to shed some light on what's going on. Hopefully we won't loose another section of the J.

Posted on: 2017/11/24 10:05


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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As newsal wrote- please, everyone, leave it to the LJRA to contact NE. News of this hit tuesday/wednesday and it will take a little time to get information due to the Thanksgiving holiday. LJRA's contacts are most likely not be in the office until next week.

Wetfly- good information about all of the properties being posted (saved me a drive today). This suggests to me that this is a broad decision made by the company, and not in response to angler behavior or specific misuse around the river. Whether this is good or not, IDK. I'm hoping if it is a blanket policy, there may be room for compromise at specific locations. For example, even allowing access at the parking lot at the pemberton bridge would be a positive development.

Posted on: 2017/11/24 11:54


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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Anyone see a connection between the level of detail about access in books like Keystone and the new postings at the Frank, LJ, and so on? It's one thing to share info and another to publish access points that may or may not be public. What happened to asking and to exploring on your own?

I saw the same thing happen to a lesser extent when the PFBC interactive web sites went up with class A info. Places I could access all the sudden became posted....

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Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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access burning will cause hot contentious owners. Feel the same, explore on your own. Still lots of access is open just the "prime spots" will be closed down.Perhaps PAFB can acquire some access/easements.

Posted on: 2017/11/25 12:18


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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Speaking as a landowner postings normally have nothing to due with advertisement of fishing locations. It has everything to do with people who don't respect the property or simply feel entitled to use it without first asking permission. Then there are those that have no regard for daily creel limits....

Ron

Posted on: 2017/11/26 10:45


Re: New Little Juniata Postings.

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A quarry is a heavy industry site, with many dangers. There is blasting, huge machinery, and quarry trucks loaded with rocks.

Limestone Road was previously a public road. Now it's a private road owned by the quarry.

If they choose to allow the public to use their private road on an industrial site, they are taking on a lot of liability. If a quarry truck on that road hits a car or civilian, the lawsuits could go into the millions.

This probably came from their insurance company presenting them with two options:

Option A. Prohibit public access to your heavy industry site: Lower premiums.

Option B. Allow public access to your heavy industry site: Higher premiums.

This doesn't mean there is no possible solution. There may be possibilities where the public has parking and walk in access in certain places, and other areas will be off limits.

If they are using Limestone Road for quarry truck traffic, I wouldn't expect that they will open that up to the public to drive or walk back that road.

Some other option might be possible. But probably not that.


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