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Re: Jean's Run-

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1318 ft gain is nothing to sneeze at, and it's not that far off from climbing from a Valley to the high country in the Rockies.

I mean, the rockies are certainly bigger than our mountains. But people exaggerate the difference. Think of it this way. Say, in the front range, the peaks may be 11k ft plus. But the creek valleys are 8000 ft. And unless they're setting out specifically to do it (mountain climbers), most people don't go up those rocky peaks above the tree line, which is like 10k ft.

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I think the most dangerous thing in the winter is not so much the ice, but the snow. You have no idea what is under it. You could take one step and have a nice steady rock and the next a 3 foot hole!


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That's true, but on the type of streams we're talking about, ice is pretty dangerous too! Sometimes it's more like climbing than hiking. And when your foot is on a narrow ledge of a cliff, and that ledge is covered in sheet ice, well....

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Pcray,
I was referring to JR. Glen Onoko, same thing. I've fished those streams throughout the year for the last 20 years from the top to the bottom. I've had issues with the ice but I've got to say stepping into a 3ft hole and not knowing it is worse. You can usually see the ice or anticipate where it's going to be and with a friend nearby, you're usually in good shape.

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All this talk reminds me of The steepest and most rugged terrain for a trout stream anywhere on east coast, Platte Clove creek in the Catskills.

http://www.sparsegreymatter.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=435

http://www.google.com/search?q=platte ... 0CCsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=672

I accended the stream in winter years back, that was after a deep freeze and with ice climbing equipment. The treak required mandatory climbing several of the falls as the walk around was not practical. The fishing in the summer is cold, and the water gin clear, but does holds some decent Catskill brooks. Also holds few cars from the seasonal road the follows it high above.

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I think what some forget is that there is a big difference hiking 2 miles on dry land and hiking 2 miles in snow. Even a few inches can have you slipping with each step and you'll soon be out of breath. I can hike all day covering 8-10 miles but ten minutes walking up a snow covered hillside and I'm toast.

I concur on the 'what lies beneath' threat. I have some shin/knee/elbow banging moments where snow gave way to a 2 foot hole. Not fun. Sloooow and easy. I try to stick to walking in the stream as much as possible.

Winter time I stick to low gradient waters in open areas if I can. Ravine waters will always be colder - both the air and water. Sucking in deep breaths of cold air is not healthy either.

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The gradient was mentioned, yeah the stream seems like 50%, but if you get out a topo it has about 10% grade over its steepest half mile. 10% doesn't sound like that much, but any stream with 10% grade in a half mile is very steep. There is a section of Jeans with a 60 ft drop at about a 20% grade (60 ft drop in 300 ft of stream course), and that signals a waterfall or waterfalls.

Slope/gradient is worth a look when considering steep streams. (I do this with a detailed garmin gps topo map). I recently was taken to a tiny stream I didn't know, and didn't bother to check the gradient. Turns out to be 10% over a half mile, and it was very steep -- so the climbing got hairy even though the stream is really quite small. Had a blast, but don't think I'd do it solo.

Most PA streams don't have a 10% grade over a half mile. The steepest PA stream I know is glen onoko, which has a 25% grade over a half mile -- that's going to be waterfalls more than stream. also many people have been hurt there. I would never try to fish it or even hike it.

One stream classification system counts streams over 10% as the steep ones, which says something. A stream with 7% grade in a hlf mile, such as stone run in Wyoming county, is actually quite steep.

I know the stream type system linked below isn't some universal std, but when a PA stream has 10% grade over a half mile, or has a 60ft elevation loss in 300 ft or less of stream course (so a 20% slope/grade), it's a good candidate to fish with buddies and leave alone in the winter imho...

http://www.extension.org/pages/62481/ ... ation-method#.UsQgLKOA0dV

http://www.extension.org/pages/62482/ ... e-aa-streams#.UsQds6OA0dU



Regarding slope, I recently stumbled upon the factoid that the steepest street in the US is in Pittsburgh. Who knew? People try to ride bicycles up this beast.

The steepest part of it has a gradient of 37%. At the link there are two photos that give you an idea of how steep that is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_Avenue

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Great stuff, I've travelled all over the U.S. for work over the years, and the steepest grad on a hill that you drive on is still the climb at Rickets Glen on route 487, it's 18%. So the street in the Burg is steeper.
For comparison the climb at the road from I 25 to the S. Platt is 15%, and a climb on a mountain coming out of Sequioa NF last week averaged 8%, though some of it was steeper I don't believe it was as steep as the hill on Red Rock Mt. in Rickets Glen.
For comarison to that, every year in Philly they hold an international cycling race they climb the Manayunk Wall 10 times during the race it is a 17% grade.
Conclusion, PA has some very steep roads. I always saidthe Burgh hasthe most hills of any city in the U.S.

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Chaz wrote:
Great stuff, I've travelled all over the U.S. for work over the years, and the steepest grad on a hill that you drive on is still the climb at Rickets Glen on route 487, it's 18%. So the street in the Burg is steeper.
For comparison the climb at the road from I 25 to the S. Platt is 15%, and a climb on a mountain coming out of Sequioa NF last week averaged 8%, though some of it was steeper I don't believe it was as steep as the hill on Red Rock Mt. in Rickets Glen.
For comarison to that, every year in Philly they hold an international cycling race they climb the Manayunk Wall 10 times during the race it is a 17% grade.
Conclusion, PA has some very steep roads. I always saidthe Burgh hasthe most hills of any city in the U.S.


Giant's Despair in Laurel Run is a great hillclimb race in PA for over 100 years.

Also, "Mile Hill" on Suscon Road up that way is a real steep climb.

Ricketts Glen is steep, too.

The Burgh is hilly. San Francisco is also "up there" when it comes to Cities with a lot of hills.


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A hill is just a flat walk with weight gain. I used to have trouble walking up steps. I dropped 40 or so pounds and now it is just "uneven pavement." My time is up.

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Icy, snowy trails are no joke. Many winters, some grad student, usually from a tropical country like India, loses his/her footing on one of the trails on a gorge near Ithaca, NY. (Fatally) Too bad, cuz they may be brilliant in quantum physics or microbiology, but not versed in the practicalities of the wild outdoors. The locals refer to the phenomenon as getting 'gorged out'.

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Fished J R earlier in the week with my brother and did pretty well. The hiking was a little sketchy but wasn't too bad because of the warmer weather.

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the topo map I put in post #23 shows an unusually steep little PA stream: 15% grade over a half mile section with no waterfall of more than about 5 ft.

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