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Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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I actually think the trestle is influencing where the upper FFO area flows. Without it, the stream would have to drop about 4 feet or so over that distance. I think the trestle/dam backs it up enough so that it can flow over that bedrock area rather than allowing the stream to find a steeper path. A path with potentially better structure.

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Posted on: 2013/4/15 11:47


Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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So we're in the second year of the fingerling stockings on LS. Anyone have any opinions at this point in the program?

I've fished it a handful of times since they since they first started stocking fingerlings and so far I don't really think it's going all that well. The fish seem to be disappearing, and I even talked to someone on another stream earlier this fall and he said he caught some of the fingerlings in Big Sandy.

This fall specifically I fished it twice, well actually three times but the second time I just stopped by to check it out on the way home from another stream and didn't fish. The first time was in September: fished the FFO section and the open water. Didn't catch any fingerlings and spooked maybe 2 or 3 of them(could have been wild, who knows). The second time was right after they stocked it in early Oct. Didn't fish, but I noticed a ton of fish near the pumphouse. The third time was today. I only fished the FFO this time and caught a couple fingerlings, one I think could have been from last fall's batch of fish, though overall they seemed to have stocked bigger ones this year. Saw a lot less fish than when I visited the stream in Oct. Kept an eye out for redds or fish in the shallows but didn't see any.

It would be interesting to see the PFBC's electorfishing results from earlier this fall(assuming they surveyed the stream before this year's stocking).

Instead of making a thread in the general forum and getting everyone's panties in a bunch I'll just do it here......Is this stocked or wild?lol Caught in the middle of the FFO sec. today. It has an un-clipped adipose fin(with red on it), but the right pectoral seems a little bunched up typical of stockies. The pic doesn't do it justice coloration wise. I guess it could be a stockie that swam in from the open water also.

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And bikerfish is right about the fingerlings being possible snacks for bigger fish. Ohhh man.....my heart was pounding for a moment this afternoon.....




Feel free to discuss the status of the other streams throughout the state now being stocked with fingerlings...

Posted on: 2013/11/23 19:27


Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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I think that is a hatchery brown, because of the crinkled pectoral fin.

Posted on: 2013/11/23 23:37


Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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You're probably right, though that means the fish had to have swam in from the open regs water as the last time the FFO was stocked with non-fin clipped, adult fish was the spring of 2012. And it had to have been in the stream since March/April(which isn't difficult, they can and do survive the summer there).

Posted on: 2013/11/24 10:20


Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)
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I agree in addition to the fin issue because it doesn't have the eyespot and the significant black spotting indicates a fishmeal diet at an early age. Also the white haloing is less prominent than on true wild fish.


But as you can see the fins are clearing and sharpening and overall is establishing the appearance of wild traits/coloration from the change in diet.

I would put that fish as stocked this past spring. Note the opacity of the pects through ventral fin. A wild fish would have translucent and sharper edges to the fins. Also that would be a dandy wild trout for LS.

It could very well be a fingerling stocked brownie from the 2012 (size wise) had the adipose fin been clipped.

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Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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Agree. That's a hatchery brown, probably been in the stream a long while, so perhaps fingerling stocked.

A case where you have mixed indicators. I make no judgement on the scrunched fin, that can happen on wild fish, and they can heal on hatchery fish when in the stream so long.

But you have the red adipose = wild
Fins fairly transparant = wild

But not red, more orange = stocked
No eye spot = stocked
Black spot patterns reminiscent of a stocky.

In this case, stocked fish on a wild diet for a very long time fits all of the above.

I do find Maurice's assertion interesting, about the black spot pattern being from feed at an early age, in this thread as well as in another. I took it to be genetics but the "early age diet" fits just as well, and he probably has more knowledge than I. Generally, while SOME wild fish have spot patterns resembling stockies, I've not found a stockie with a spot pattern resembling wild. i.e. if it has the sparser spot pattern, it's wild. If it has the denser one, find another indicator!

Posted on: 2013/11/25 11:26


Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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I think it's settled then, it's a stockie. Though it can't be from the fingerling program since it's adipose isn't clipped, so I agree with Maurice; it probably just wandered in from the open regs water which was stocked with adults back in the spring.

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Generally, while SOME wild fish have spot patterns resembling stockies, I've not found a stockie with a spot pattern resembling wild. i.e. if it has the sparser spot pattern, it's wild.


Interesting. Just going through my pics I found a couple stockies that have pretty sparse patterns resembling wild fish, and wilds that have dense black spot patterns resembling hatchery fish, but yeah overall I found that most of the fish that have very sparse spot patterns are indeed wild while most stocked fish have denser spot patterns, and much less red.

Posted on: 2013/11/25 14:25


Re: Fingerling stocking on Little Sandy? ( Venango County)

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streamerguy wrote:

Interesting. Just going through my pics I found a couple stockies that have pretty sparse patterns resembling wild fish, and wilds that have dense black spot patterns resembling hatchery fish, but yeah overall I found that most of the fish that have very sparse spot patterns are indeed wild while most stocked fish have denser spot patterns, and much less red.


I think trying to decipher spot patterns in browns is futile for the most part. Especially in a stream like LSC which has an extensive history of stocking AND natural repro.

As for the fingerling stocking program in LSC I still think it is misguided. The problem is not water temps, or spawning habitat. The problem with that stream, particularly the lower half, and even more specifically from the pump house down to rt 62, is lack of abundant holding water for mature fish. Also the stream is so unnaturally wide in that area, almost immediately above the pumphouse the stream gets significantly more narrow.

Those problems aside I think that the stream is a fine wild trout stream compared to what is normal for this part of the state and it should just be left alone.

Kev

Posted on: 2013/11/29 20:44



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