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Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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For comparison sake, a typical Marcellus pad is roughly 500 feet x 500 feet, so much bigger. But pads will be spaced around 2 miles apart, so much less dense (and much fewer roads, etc). So, in the first pic of the ANF, instead of the dozens of small wells you see, you'd have 1 big one for roughly that size of area. In the second pic, one pad would cover maybe 2-3 times that area.

Kind of like this, which is a Marcellus pad, taken at the same scale as my 1st pic. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe those to be shallow gas pads all around, so you see the direct comparison in both size and spacing. 1 Marcellus pad is all that would ever be on an area this size, it'd drain gas from an area roughly the size of the picture. If you saw other equally sized areas on all sides, at full density all of them would have 1 Marcellus pad at their centers....

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Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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I watched PCN cable the other night and saw Mr. Krancer being interviewed by members of the House. He refuted the idea that Mr. Walker, the new CDEC director had as much authority as the media said and that Corbetts remarks were misstated Walker is the new appointee that, according to Corbett, has the authority to over ride any other cabinet Director and allow permits for gas and coal despite objections if it meant jobs would be created. Mr. Krancer said that isn't what would happen. He also said that the NY Times article lacked truth and the facts weren't correct. Some of the facts in the article were from the PA DEP. Representative Pyle from Indiana and Armstrong Countys asked Mr. Krancer if he had enough staff and money in this new budget to meet his needs. Krancer said he did. Pyle said that was gratifying to hear as "every other agency in the last three days has said, NO, we don't have enough resources to do our job." I frankly find Mr. Krancer's statement terrifying. We didn't have enough inspectors last year despite an increase in numbers, now we have a 20% drop in funding while the permitting process has been simplified. I am afraid we are in for a long, bad stretch with these guys at the switch.

Pyle also remarked that TheArmy Corps of Engineers has been a road block to drilling because they are monitoring water usage in the Allegheny River. When have you ever heard the Corps a friend of environment?

Jim Kearney

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Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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@ Jim,
My husband and I watched Krancer on PCN the other night as well. I was infuriated that no one took him to task. I've been in many court hearings, bankruptcy and family court (for work), and I have seen the "I'm dumb" tactic used so many times that it amazes me how effective it can be. He answered 90% of the questions posed to him with "I don't know or I'll get back to you (off public record)." And then, at the end, when he started with "Well, my mom told me when I was little, not to answer something if I didn't know the answer..." What was that?! To quote Osprey, I think I would have slapped him had I been there. Kudos to the representative that tried to nail him for the cutbacks to the flooding programs, but come on, the man didn't even know how much a Marcellus Shale drilling permit costs? Really? I think our state is lacking real leadership right now. I hope someone steps up to the plate!

@Pcray,
Thank you for the Google maps and your posts above! The drilling is starting to hit a little closer to home.

@bikerfish,
I'd like to buy the house next to the well!

Posted on: 2011/3/18 18:58


Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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I agree about the "I'll have to get back to you, I really don't know exactly,etc". The one supplying him most information was the Deputy Director Mr. Logan and they both looked bad. I did notice that although he had no clue what a permit cost he did know it was more than the $2000 quoted by Mr. Logan!

Jim Kearney

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See http://www.paflyfish.com/forums/Open- ... ope-this-guy-goes-down-/6,18099,254913.html#forumpost254913

post 31 for more info on Krancer

Posted on: 2011/3/21 10:19


Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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trout17 wrote:
I watched PCN cable the other night and saw Mr. Krancer being interviewed by members of the House. He refuted the idea that Mr. Walker, the new CDEC director had as much authority as the media said and that Corbetts remarks were misstated Walker is the new appointee that, according to Corbett, has the authority to over ride any other cabinet Director and allow permits for gas and coal despite objections if it meant jobs would be created. Mr. Krancer said that isn't what would happen. He also said that the NY Times article lacked truth and the facts weren't correct. Some of the facts in the article were from the PA DEP. Representative Pyle from Indiana and Armstrong Countys asked Mr. Krancer if he had enough staff and money in this new budget to meet his needs. Krancer said he did. Pyle said that was gratifying to hear as "every other agency in the last three days has said, NO, we don't have enough resources to do our job." I frankly find Mr. Krancer's statement terrifying. We didn't have enough inspectors last year despite an increase in numbers, now we have a 20% drop in funding while the permitting process has been simplified. I am afraid we are in for a long, bad stretch with these guys at the switch.

Pyle also remarked that TheArmy Corps of Engineers has been a road block to drilling because they are monitoring water usage in the Allegheny River. When have you ever heard the Corps a friend of environment?

Jim Kearney


Jim, what is the basis for your comment on the number of inspectors required to inspect drilling sites? I'm interested in obtaining any analysis recommending the inspection efforts needed to inspect the gas drilling industry.

Posted on: 2011/3/21 10:24


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848 wells permitted in Bradford County for 2010.
581 wells permitted in Tioga county for 2010.

One well inspector for each county and the Tioga County inspector is responsible for Potter County, as well. Does that seem like a sufficient number of inspectors for the number of wells?

Posted on: 2011/3/21 11:26


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848 wells permitted in Bradford County for 2010.
581 wells permitted in Tioga county for 2010.

One well inspector for each county and the Tioga County inspector is responsible for Potter County, as well. Does that seem like a sufficient number of inspectors for the number of wells?


Probably not but I would like to know if the inspectors are supplemented by other federal or state departments or staff within the DEP. Also how much work is involved inspecting an individual site. How often are they visited, how long, etc. Having built up department budgets in my own business I would like to make an inspection operating budget estimate that I could apply to my thoughts on gas taxes.

As far as Krancer's testimony, he is just coming on board. How much input has he had into the budget process? Did he fully engage in the job as soon as appointed or did he transition in over few weeks? I'd be more interested in his answers to critical questions after he is on the job six months.

Posted on: 2011/3/21 12:12


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848 wells permitted in Bradford County for 2010.
581 wells permitted in Tioga county for 2010.

One well inspector for each county and the Tioga County inspector is responsible for Potter County, as well. Does that seem like a sufficient number of inspectors for the number of wells?


The number of permits issued can be a bit misleading when we're talking about horizontal wells. Even though there is no rig on a property, they still need a drilling permit to drill under it. So a single MS well pad may need a dozen or more permits, depending on how subdivided the surrounding land is.

There are about 95 active MS rigs in PA right now. That's been fairly constant since Nov. 2010, plus or minus 5% for moves and maintenance. DEP has about 320 inspectors, so technically, they could have an inspector on site 24/7 at each pad without paying overtime if they wanted. They'd just be sitting around most of the time though.

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Gone4day, where did you come up with 320 well inspectors number? It sounds high. Also there were over 6000 wells permitted state wide last year, around half of which were Marcellus, the other 3000+ are inspected, as well.
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputa ... 0as%20of%2012-31-2010.pdf

http://247wallst.com/2011/02/03/many- ... go-unreported-for-months/

The article posted here claims about 65 inspectors for the DEP, I found conflicting reports on the actual number, but I was under the impression it was actually just short of 200. I don't know if that includes water quality specialists, who inspect the E&S provisions on gas work and make sure that there is proper containment should there be a failure on site.

As for how inspections are done there is more to it than simply sitting there while the horizontal drill rig is on site. Many companies drill top holes using traditional rigs to save money, this needs to be inspected, then that is moved and the horizontal rig is moved in and additional inspections are done. That rig is then moved and the frac job is done involving more inspections and finally there is post completion inspections. Additionally, if there are violations there are follow up meetings with the companies so that these can be argued, believe it or not gas companies rarely just accept NOV's. Not to mention for accountability reasons there is time consuming paperwork

Posted on: 2011/3/22 7:57


Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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yep, I'd imagine the inspection process is similar to inspections in my trade, inspection after every step or so.
with the growing number of wells, I think we are going to need a proportional increase in inspectors. gotta keep these companies on the straight and narrow. it's our future that is at stake.

Posted on: 2011/3/22 12:09


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reds,

I was being a bit facetious about DEP putting all their field inspectors on MS drilling. They obviously have much more to do then just watch MS rigs. There were 1,185 MS wells completed in 2010, all the paperwork is in now, so that's the official number. Permits issued does not equal wells drilled. All drilling in PA is MS drilling, including the dozen or so directional/vertical rigs that are barely hanging on.

There was an article, posted on this site I believe, from last year that DEP was adding 40 new inspectors, which would bring the total to 321. Having done SH&E inspections myself and been subject to them, there is far more then just drilling that needs monitored. There are OSHA, EPA, DEP, DNRC, PENNDOT and even fire marshal regulations that must be adhered to. It probably takes 6 months of training before a new inspector can be certified. My point is DEP is doing a pretty good job right now, Before we start adding 100s more, lets be sure there is adequate justification for them. We don't want to hire and train a whole bunch of new inspectors and then have to lay them off in a year or two because we overshot our manpower needs. That's bad business practice, even for government agencies.

The drilling rate in PA is basically flat right now. Will it increase in the foreseeable future? I can't answer that but if you can, you could make a bundle on Wall Street.

This just in:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/bus ... obal/22gas.html?src=busln

As Niels Bohr said, predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.

Posted on: 2011/3/22 19:15
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Gone, check your PM.

Posted on: 2011/3/22 20:23


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reds,

I was being a bit facetious about DEP putting all their field inspectors on MS drilling. They obviously have much more to do then just watch MS rigs. There were 1,185 MS wells completed in 2010, all the paperwork is in now, so that's the official number. Permits issued does not equal wells drilled. All drilling in PA is MS drilling, including the dozen or so directional/vertical rigs that are barely hanging on.

There was an article, posted on this site I believe, from last year that DEP was adding 40 new inspectors, which would bring the total to 321. Having done SH&E inspections myself and been subject to them, there is far more then just drilling that needs monitored. There are OSHA, EPA, DEP, DNRC, PENNDOT and even fire marshal regulations that must be adhered to. It probably takes 6 months of training before a new inspector can be certified. My point is DEP is doing a pretty good job right now, Before we start adding 100s more, lets be sure there is adequate justification for them. We don't want to hire and train a whole bunch of new inspectors and then have to lay them off in a year or two because we overshot our manpower needs. That's bad business practice, even for government agencies.

The drilling rate in PA is basically flat right now. Will it increase in the foreseeable future? I can't answer that but if you can, you could make a bundle on Wall Street.

This just in:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/bus ... obal/22gas.html?src=busln

As Niels Bohr said, predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.


What type of an educational background is required of inspectors?

Posted on: 2011/3/23 7:20


Re: who is Michael Krancer?

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All drilling in PA is MS drilling


This is very incorrect.

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