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Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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We tend to look at the forests from a very narrow slice of time. Over a larger time frame and left to nature without man's manipulation there would periodically large forest fires such that across a wide area like Pa various stages of maturity would exist. Man has altered this process and it will never return to an untouched state. One forestry tool that in some ways simulates nature is periodic clear cutting.



clear cutting and fires are not equal.

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Posted on: 2011/12/17 15:32


Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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Regarding long term impact from the pads. There are still charcoal flats around from the 1800s that have never grown back. And rr grades and log landings from the 1800s that have also never grown back. And splash dam flats from the 1800s that have never grown back.

I wouldn't be that confident that the thousands of 5 acre pads that will result from Marcellus will be reforested anytime soon.

Posted on: 2011/12/17 17:32


Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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We tend to look at the forests from a very narrow slice of time. Over a larger time frame and left to nature without man's manipulation there would periodically large forest fires such that across a wide area like Pa various stages of maturity would exist. Man has altered this process and it will never return to an untouched state. One forestry tool that in some ways simulates nature is periodic clear cutting.



clear cutting and fires are not equal.


or this fire and clear cut







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Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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From the same web page you took your fire picture from:
(btw, I took my pic myself)

Benefits of Forest fires
Without forest fires, the build up of vegetation in a forest may prevent certain seeds
from germinating and prevent the growth of new trees. Forests that do not have a
regular occurrence of a fire have no way of destroying some of the thick vegetation
that that grows, therefore causing a major problem. The forest grows extremely
dense and become a massive source of fuel for future fires, making fires that
will burn much hotter and more destructive to the environment. Yet, but not least,
forest fires open the forest floor which allows sunlight in for more growth of different species, and the ash left behind puts plenty of nutrients into the soil.


Except for allowing the sun to shine in...clear cutting provides none of these benefits.

Posted on: 2011/12/17 23:04


Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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Has anyone thought about the effects beyond PA.? What about the Chesapeake and Delaware bays, which were already facing environmental challenges in their respective northern regions?

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Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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KeithS, yes, I've often wondered about the chesapeake and I'm surprised we aren't hearing more from the groups that watch out over it. hopefully nothing bad ever happens, the bay is a true treasure.
now I want some crabs!!

Posted on: 2011/12/18 8:19


Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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tomgamber wrote:
From the same web page you took your fire picture from:
(btw, I took my pic myself)

Benefits of Forest fires
Without forest fires, the build up of vegetation in a forest may prevent certain seeds
from germinating and prevent the growth of new trees. Forests that do not have a
regular occurrence of a fire have no way of destroying some of the thick vegetation
that that grows, therefore causing a major problem. The forest grows extremely
dense and become a massive source of fuel for future fires, making fires that
will burn much hotter and more destructive to the environment. Yet, but not least,
forest fires open the forest floor which allows sunlight in for more growth of different species, and the ash left behind puts plenty of nutrients into the soil.


Except for allowing the sun to shine in...clear cutting provides none of these benefits.


Tom, I appreciate the benefits of forest fires and am not equating them to clear cutting. Fires of any magnitude are not a factor in Pa. The forestry services in Pa do use clear cutting as a tool across most of our forests.

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Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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"now I want some crabs!!"

On a table outside at the shore w/ some beers.

Posted on: 2011/12/18 10:02
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Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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Aaaaaaaaaanyway...

While I would normally (jokingly) consider Ohio a dump. Really? Who's idea was this? Lets just dig a hole! What could happen?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011 ... -aquiver-over-quakes.html

Posted on: 2011/12/18 15:46


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Tom stop trying to scare people. So what if a few houses fall down. We will be able to build in those areaa in another 100 years after the earth stops shaking. So a few people become homeless and we pollute the groundwater in these areas. It's all worth it for our greater good!

Posted on: 2011/12/18 20:59


Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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The funniest part is, "hey, don;t worry. We will recover 80% of everything we send down a well. But then we're gonna turn around and send it down another hole in Ohio to dispose of it." And people are OK with this.

Posted on: 2011/12/18 21:45


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A few weeks ago there was an action alert regarding the proposal to use the drilling fluids as a "dust suppressor" on dirt roads and for ice melting during the winter....in Pa.

It is obvious these companies are having a hard time finding places to dispose of this hazardous waste. Yet it continues to accumulate while they scramble for a solution.

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Anyone remember asbestos?
Eventually, the entire US will be able to pay for the SUPERDUPER Fund site formerly known as Pennsylvania.
Corbett sure blew this one.

Posted on: 2011/12/19 5:55
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Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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I spent the weekend at my place near Germania in Potter. Everyplace I went I saw stakes along the roads and fluorescent tape in the bushes, marking where seismic testing is to be done. Around Germania crews were deploying what had to be miles of cable to do the testing. I have a real bad feeling about the coming year. This looks to be the beginning of the end. Oh and I'll bet they leave the stakes and tape when they're done, just to add another eyesore to the whole mess. Nothing like driving around the woods and seeing fluorescent tape waving in the wind everywhere. Bastards.

Posted on: 2011/12/19 11:42


Re: disheartening at the very least (a rant)

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I spent the weekend at my place near Germania in Potter. Everyplace I went I saw stakes along the roads and fluorescent tape in the bushes, marking where seismic testing is to be done. Around Germania crews were deploying what had to be miles of cable to do the testing. I have a real bad feeling about the coming year. This looks to be the beginning of the end. Oh and I'll bet they leave the stakes and tape when they're done, just to add another eyesore to the whole mess. Nothing like driving around the woods and seeing fluorescent tape waving in the wind everywhere. Bastards.


Get some fluorescent tape; grab some more stakes; have a little fun leading them to a different test site Bury a few charges and selectively set them off when they do their testing. Monkey Wrench Gang, anyone?

Posted on: 2011/12/19 21:01



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