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Re: could we, would we and should we?

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sorry if i sounded like i snapped on this one. i know my viewpoints are on the extremist side but my hearts in the right place.

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Re: could we, would we and should we?

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salvelinusfontinalis wrote:
sorry if i sounded like i snapped on this one. i know my viewpoints are on the extremist side but my hearts in the right place.


I've been called an extremist a few times too.

It sounds like you are interested in particular goals on particular streams. Can you give us any details? It's hard to evaluate without specifics.

Posted on: 2006/12/5 23:51


Re: could we, would we and should we?

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basically any stream on the natural reproduction list....that has wild brrok trout that are not class a. but lets narrow the field. mostly streams in lebanon, york and lancaster counties. some people dont realize that brook trout in these areas are in extreme danger due to farming, development and harvesting. i would like to see these streams repaired, protected and with new regulations. its almost like these trout should be on a endangered species list. now i know thats not possible with out detecting a new strain of brook trout, but what happens when there gone?

troutbert, thankws for understanding

Posted on: 2006/12/6 17:37
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Re: could we, would we and should we?

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I understand what you'r saying. There are 5 or 6 "natural reproduction" streams around me and as far as I know TU has never (N E V E R!!) worked on a stream of this size. (2'-3' wide, middle of nowhere, minimal if any native brookies present but could support a nice poulation with it's clean, clear water is helped with deeper pools, ect)
These are things I have also wondered while fishing these small, sometimes nameless streams.

Posted on: 2006/12/11 19:26


Re: could we, would we and should we?

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Personally, I think you guys are on to something. But... if no one wantes to help you, not even TU, then I say a couple of days next summer and do it your self (position rocks, deepen pools, move saplings to create cover). Then give that stream a year and return next year for your own personal Class A that everyone doesn't think holds brookies. Besides you put the time in, who do you think should get the spoils........?

If I had a stream around my land, I would have done it years ago.

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Re: could we, would we and should we?

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thanks MKern but at this point its just a discussion. i cant just work on a stream though. a side from clean-up, changing pools and stream habitat with out the proper plans and orginazations can lead to hefty fines and penaltys. i just wondered if its something to bring up in the future. i guess the first question to ask is why is the trout pop so low. like nitrate in headwaters, or holding water, or not enough food. to see if the problem can even be fixed. just imagine it though. all the streams on the natural reproduction list being class a. that would be amazing.

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I know one thing putting in structure doesn't do anything except cause the group putting it in to throw good money after bad. It is a very expensive proposition to put manmade devises into trout streams and over time they all need repairs.
I view the streams differently than most people, given time they heal themselves, but sometime they need help. Remove channel blocks, remove berms along banks, or at least break through them, plant trees and close some of the forest roads.
I'm not comfortable with putting a block in to keep browns and rainbows out, I think we should be doing more to expand brookie range, like move the browns and rainbows out completely. But that is me. If you limit brookies to headwater streams there will never be any large brookies.
You can try liming streams with low T-Alk but you only risk making more brown trout water, if you don't do it wisely. In a perfect world we'd never try to enhance brown trout water, we'd spend our time working on brookies streams. But that's just me

Posted on: 2006/12/13 9:32



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