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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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I take back my previous comment after what ensued. Well, I still don't think it's astroturfing, just regurgitation of extreme right wing propaganda.

Posted on: 2011/8/9 18:43


Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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on a lighter note, I have been called a hedonist before!

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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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Gudgeonville,
Lol! My husband and I had a good laugh about your last comment! Nope, not a member of any Green Party! Not a socialist either...or a communist...or any -ist of any kind. Did you even read what I wrote? Perhaps you should reread it. Am I against the Marcellus Shale drilling industry? Absolutely, and I think I've made that clear and for obvious reasons. The research, pictures, visits to areas now home to wells, and facts don't lie. Do I think it will go away? No, I have no illusions about that. Did you tell the Amish that they will benefit from gas drilling? Do you understand that PA is a state, to a large extent, built on an agrarian community and tourism? Do you think we are so desperate for jobs that we should accept any employment that is offered? Shouldn't we be allowed to have our own thoughts, ideas, and standards? Funny thing...a friend of mine, not an -ist of any kind either-was told that her neighbor's son recently QUIT his wonderful welding job with Range Resources because he couldn't stand how unethical (look that word up) the whole thing was, from the waiver of confidentiality to the behavior that he saw at the well site where he was working. If anything, you've made me more firmly attached to what I believe in...and made me chuckle. Thanks for that! On a side note, why did you name yourself Gudgeonville?


I did not call you a socialist, I asked if you followed the preaching of the protest group from Pgh that is RUN by socialists. I have been involved with this industry for 36 years and there are always unscrupulous people in every industry. I am not seeing the unethical behavior you speak of. And I do not know your friends neighbors son but there are people let go, fired by these companies if the employee acts unethically on these well sites. That is just as plausible an explanation.

i spent many years fishing Elk Creek in Erie County, was gonna use Devils Backbone but figured you anti's would have a field day with that.

Posted on: 2011/8/11 5:21


Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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So you used the name of a historic bridge in Girard that was destroyed by arson in 2008. Interesting... I've wasted enough time with you.

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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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So you used the name of a historic bridge in Girard that was destroyed by arson in 2008. Interesting... I've wasted enough time with you.



You asked why and I told you. I crossed that bridge more times than I can count and it's a shame that it was destroyed.

I can assure you that I nor the drilling industry had anything to do with the arson...although I can't speak for the fracing of wells in Lycoming County having anything to do with it.

rolls eyes

be done, thats what most of the anti's do....hold your breath till you turn blue when you can't prove a point

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I think this is the spot where I have to interject.....

Get a room you two.

Just kidding David.

Posted on: 2011/8/12 20:41

Edited by Maurice on 2011/8/13 10:13:25
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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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@ Maurice,
But what did I say? (LOL) Maybe we need to get out fishing more?

Oh, geez, now I've gone and posted myself as Dave. Sorry guys!
You Know Who

Posted on: 2011/8/12 22:53


Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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@ Bikerfish,
I think you make a very good hedonist!

Posted on: 2011/8/12 22:58


Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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be done, thats what most of the anti's do....hold your breath till you turn blue when you can't prove a point



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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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All the Bronx cheers, thinly disguised commies and rapacious plunderers aside, its a simple fact that Federal intervention into these clean water questions is often a good thing for the resource and the attendant fisheries. There are a number of obvious reasons:

1) Local control and local decision making (in this case at the state level) , while theoretically having the advantage of being "closer to the situation", is also closer (and more vulnerable) to various types of influence and pressure from monied interests. This often results in myopic decisions. Its can be far easier to successfully pressure a state legislator or regulatory agency (note I said pressure, not compromise or corrupt. I'm not throwing any stones here) than it is the comparable person at the Federal level.

2) There isn't a single drop of water that flows in a Pennsylvania stream that doesn't eventually end up in another state.
This, IMO, at least (although Congress and the courts have disagreed from time to time) takes most of the wind out of the sails of the 10th Amendment argument for the individual states being the defining level of control on water quality issues.

3) The Federal Clean Water Act has a citizen's suit provision that allows any individual who can demonstrate standing through harm by polluters to their interests to file in Federal court. I don't believe any of the state laws have this provision. The value of the citizen's suit provision isn't so much in actually dragging polluters into court. It seldom ever gets to that point. The value is more like when Yosemite Sam used to hold the glue pot under the mule's nose to get him moving. It gets people's attention. The simple act of filing intention to sue can do wonders to get people talking and working on solutions that are acceptable to all and most importantly do not unduly compromise the integrity of the resource for short term financial gains.

So, I welcome Federal participation in the regulatory dialogue and process as it relates to shale gas exploration and operations in Pennsylvania. It is a good way of helping to ensure a more even playing field, IMO.

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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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Run by socialists and anti industry people that could care less about anything except stopping all industry.


Couldn't.

Posted on: 2011/8/14 19:59


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WE do not benefit in any way by the drilling for gas, it is being sent overseas and because the Commonwealth is not going to tax the drilling companies we'll get nothing for the use of the land save the mess they leave behind for us to pay for cleanup.

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Chaz has hit the nail on the head...

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Re: U.S. Forest Service Prohibits Shell Oil From Using Forest Water

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Chaz wrote:
WE do not benefit in any way by the drilling for gas, it is being sent overseas and because the Commonwealth is not going to tax the drilling companies we'll get nothing for the use of the land save the mess they leave behind for us to pay for cleanup.


My understanding is the only LNG terminal used to export gas from the US is in Alaska. Is PA gas being shipped to Alaska then overseas?

Posted on: 2011/9/17 9:02


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Chaz wrote:
WE do not benefit in any way by the drilling for gas, it is being sent overseas and because the Commonwealth is not going to tax the drilling companies we'll get nothing for the use of the land save the mess they leave behind for us to pay for cleanup.


My understanding is the only LNG terminal used to export gas from the US is in Alaska. Is PA gas being shipped to Alaska then overseas?


The following LNG off-loading and regasification terminals are located in the United States and Gulf of Mexico:[12]

Dominion Cove Point LNG, LP, Lusby, Maryland - (Dominion Resources)[13]
Gulf Gateway Deepwater Port, Gulf of Mexico - (Excelerate Energy LLC)[14]
Northeast Gateway Deepwater Port, Boston Harbor - (Excelerate Energy LLC),[15] licensed by the US Department of Transportation, Maritime Administration (Marad)[16]
Southern LNG, Elba Island, Georgia - (El Paso Energy)[17][18]
Trunkline LNG, Lake Charles, Louisiana - (Trunkline LNG Company, LLC)[19][20]
EcoEléctrica, Punta Guayanilla, Puerto Rico[21][22]
Sabine Pass LNG, rural Cameron Parish, Louisiana - (Cheniere Energy, Inc.)[23][24]
Cameron LNG, rural Cameron Parish, Louisiana - (Sempra Energy)[25][26]
Freeport LNG, Freeport, Texas - (Freeport LNG Development, LP)[27][28]
Everett Marine Terminal, Everett, Massachusetts - (Distrigas of Massachusetts LLC)[29][30]
Northeast Gateway Deepwater Port, offshore from Gloucester, Massachusetts,[31] licensed by the US Department of Transportation, Maritime Administration (Marad)[32]
Neptune LNG, offshore from Gloucester, Massachusetts,[33] licensed by the US Department of Transportation, Maritime Administration (Marad)[32]

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